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This week on the podcast, Nathan sits down with Nigel from DK Heat Recovery to discuss an innovative approach to energy efficiency.

Many businesses across the UK, like meat and food processing plants and butchers, rely on cold storage rooms kept cool by heat pump systems. These facilities also require significant amounts of hot water for their washing-down processes. Similarly, gyms use heat pump systems to maintain a comfortable temperature for workouts and need plenty of hot water for showers.

Traditionally, the heat generated by these cooling systems is simply expelled into the atmosphere, a complete waste of energy. However, DK Heat Recovery has developed a clever solution to recycle this wasted energy and use it to heat hot water.

Tune in to hear Nigel explain how the special coils in their cylinders are designed to capture the heat from the refrigerant instead of letting it escape into the atmosphere. It's a fascinating look at how businesses can become more sustainable and reduce their energy costs!

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Join Nathan's guests David & Rob from Fornax and dive into the nitty-gritty of the Boiler Upgrade Scheme (BUS) consultation and explore how third-party finance could be the key to unlocking widespread domestic heat pump adoption. We'll break down the "finance gap challenge," look at what makes third-party ownership work, and dissect the pros and cons of different financing models.

In this episode, we discuss:

• The Finance Gap Challenge: Why current BUS grants alone aren't enough for mass market adoption and how existing loan products fall short for consumers and installers.
• The Power of Third-Party Ownership: How it dramatically increases heat pump installations by offering:
  • Superior consumer protection: If the system fails, customers stop paying, and the financer is responsible for resolution.
  • Risk alignment: Financiers are incentivized to ensure proper installation and ongoing performance.
  • Better affordability and accessibility: Eliminates large upfront capital requirements.
  • Support for installer businesses: Creates sustainable, predictable maintenance income.
• What Works: Consumer Hire vs. What Doesn't:
  • Consumer Hire agreements: The only commercially viable third-party ownership model under UK regulation.
    • Subject to robust FCA Consumer Duty protections—not "lightly regulated."
    • Consumers have clear and simple mechanisms to keep their system; providers don't want them back!
  • Why Hire Purchase models are problematic: Despite being highlighted in the consultation, they remain commercially unworkable due to existing financial regulations.
• Consumer Protection Reality Check:
  • Consumer preference surveys don't equal deliverable products—regulatory constraints matter.
  • Consumer protection isn't free: Every additional measure either limits access to affordable heat pumps or makes them more expensive/unworkable. Duplicative measures unfairly penalize consumers.
  • Repossession rights are fundamental to risk pricing; removing them increases costs for all consumers (e.g., mortgages).
  • Maximum term limits would reduce affordability and increase financial exclusion.
  • Many proposed duplicative requirements (e.g., Ofgem doing things the FCA already does) deter small businesses and hinder independent installers.
• Innovation vs. Prescription Risk:
  • Over-prescription risks stifling innovation just as the market gains momentum.
  • Standard contract requirements could recreate past failures like the Green Deal/Green Homes Grant.

THIS SEASON IS BEING SPONSORED BY INTERGAS

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Join us for a fascinating conversation with Mike Costain, the Managing Director of The Installer Show! In this special episode, we pull back the curtain on the UK's leading event for heating and plumbing professionals, exploring what's new, what's next, and how the show is expanding its horizons internationally.

But that's not all! Mike also shares his invaluable personal experience as a homeowner, detailing the installation and performance of his own heat pump system. He opens up about the common misconceptions and knowledge gaps within the building industry that can hinder heat pump adoption, particularly among builders who may not fully grasp their efficacy.

Crucially, you'll hear about the unique connection to this installation, as our very own host Nathan had the pleasure of arranging the engineer for Mike's heat pump installation. We delve into the journey from initial curiosity to a fully operational, energy-efficient home heating solution.

Looking ahead to this year's Installer Show, Nathan will be at the forefront of innovation, helping to run The Installer Show's groundbreaking AI platform – a first-of-its-kind initiative for the event. Mike also offers exclusive insights into the exciting developments at the show and its ambitious plans for international expansion.

In this episode, you'll discover:

• Behind the Scenes at The Installer Show: What's new, what's hot, and what to expect from the UK's premier heating and plumbing event.
• The MD's Personal Heat Pump Journey: Mike shares firsthand insights into living with a heat pump system, its benefits, and any surprises along the way.
• Tackling the Knowledge Gap: A candid discussion on how a lack of understanding among builders about heat pump functionality can impede installations.
• The Inside Story of Mike's Install: Hear how our host played a direct role in connecting Mike with the skilled engineer for his heat pump installation.
• Revolutionising the Show: Our host's role in pioneering The Installer Show's never-before-seen AI platform.
• The Installer Show Goes Global: Mike's vision for the show's international expansion and what that means for the industry.

This season is being sponsored by Intergas

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