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This week on the podcast, Nathan sits down with Nigel from DK Heat Recovery to discuss an innovative approach to energy efficiency.

Many businesses across the UK, like meat and food processing plants and butchers, rely on cold storage rooms kept cool by heat pump systems. These facilities also require significant amounts of hot water for their washing-down processes. Similarly, gyms use heat pump systems to maintain a comfortable temperature for workouts and need plenty of hot water for showers.

Traditionally, the heat generated by these cooling systems is simply expelled into the atmosphere, a complete waste of energy. However, DK Heat Recovery has developed a clever solution to recycle this wasted energy and use it to heat hot water.

Tune in to hear Nigel explain how the special coils in their cylinders are designed to capture the heat from the refrigerant instead of letting it escape into the atmosphere. It's a fascinating look at how businesses can become more sustainable and reduce their energy costs!

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Join Nathan's guests David & Rob from Fornax and dive into the nitty-gritty of the Boiler Upgrade Scheme (BUS) consultation and explore how third-party finance could be the key to unlocking widespread domestic heat pump adoption. We'll break down the "finance gap challenge," look at what makes third-party ownership work, and dissect the pros and cons of different financing models.

In this episode, we discuss:

• The Finance Gap Challenge: Why current BUS grants alone aren't enough for mass market adoption and how existing loan products fall short for consumers and installers.
• The Power of Third-Party Ownership: How it dramatically increases heat pump installations by offering:
  • Superior consumer protection: If the system fails, customers stop paying, and the financer is responsible for resolution.
  • Risk alignment: Financiers are incentivized to ensure proper installation and ongoing performance.
  • Better affordability and accessibility: Eliminates large upfront capital requirements.
  • Support for installer businesses: Creates sustainable, predictable maintenance income.
• What Works: Consumer Hire vs. What Doesn't:
  • Consumer Hire agreements: The only commercially viable third-party ownership model under UK regulation.
    • Subject to robust FCA Consumer Duty protections—not "lightly regulated."
    • Consumers have clear and simple mechanisms to keep their system; providers don't want them back!
  • Why Hire Purchase models are problematic: Despite being highlighted in the consultation, they remain commercially unworkable due to existing financial regulations.
• Consumer Protection Reality Check:
  • Consumer preference surveys don't equal deliverable products—regulatory constraints matter.
  • Consumer protection isn't free: Every additional measure either limits access to affordable heat pumps or makes them more expensive/unworkable. Duplicative measures unfairly penalize consumers.
  • Repossession rights are fundamental to risk pricing; removing them increases costs for all consumers (e.g., mortgages).
  • Maximum term limits would reduce affordability and increase financial exclusion.
  • Many proposed duplicative requirements (e.g., Ofgem doing things the FCA already does) deter small businesses and hinder independent installers.
• Innovation vs. Prescription Risk:
  • Over-prescription risks stifling innovation just as the market gains momentum.
  • Standard contract requirements could recreate past failures like the Green Deal/Green Homes Grant.

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Join us for a fascinating conversation with Mike Costain, the Managing Director of The Installer Show! In this special episode, we pull back the curtain on the UK's leading event for heating and plumbing professionals, exploring what's new, what's next, and how the show is expanding its horizons internationally.

But that's not all! Mike also shares his invaluable personal experience as a homeowner, detailing the installation and performance of his own heat pump system. He opens up about the common misconceptions and knowledge gaps within the building industry that can hinder heat pump adoption, particularly among builders who may not fully grasp their efficacy.

Crucially, you'll hear about the unique connection to this installation, as our very own host Nathan had the pleasure of arranging the engineer for Mike's heat pump installation. We delve into the journey from initial curiosity to a fully operational, energy-efficient home heating solution.

Looking ahead to this year's Installer Show, Nathan will be at the forefront of innovation, helping to run The Installer Show's groundbreaking AI platform – a first-of-its-kind initiative for the event. Mike also offers exclusive insights into the exciting developments at the show and its ambitious plans for international expansion.

In this episode, you'll discover:

• Behind the Scenes at The Installer Show: What's new, what's hot, and what to expect from the UK's premier heating and plumbing event.
• The MD's Personal Heat Pump Journey: Mike shares firsthand insights into living with a heat pump system, its benefits, and any surprises along the way.
• Tackling the Knowledge Gap: A candid discussion on how a lack of understanding among builders about heat pump functionality can impede installations.
• The Inside Story of Mike's Install: Hear how our host played a direct role in connecting Mike with the skilled engineer for his heat pump installation.
• Revolutionising the Show: Our host's role in pioneering The Installer Show's never-before-seen AI platform.
• The Installer Show Goes Global: Mike's vision for the show's international expansion and what that means for the industry.

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In the fourth episode of the Heat Pump Ready special bulletin series, Nathan talks to three Heat Pump Ready projects to discuss the topic of ‘Improving the customer journey’. Nathan is joined by Jack Jarvis from EDF, Gareth Robertson from Thermly and Lucy Fairchild from Oxford City Council to discuss.

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In this episode, Nathan invites Mick Wall, his 'expert consumer,' back to have a discussion with the lads from Havenwise, a company dedicated to helping with quality heat pump installations. Havenwise runs an API which optimizes the weather curves on the heat pump, as well as looking at time-of-use tariffs. You can choose to use various functionalities. For example, Mick only uses the optimizer for his space heating. Nathan likes what Henri and Alex at Havenwise are trying to achieve. Take a listen...it's a very enjoyable one!

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Join host Nathan Gambling as he journeys to Intergas HQ alongside legendary heat pump engineer Steve Webster to get the inside scoop on their high-quality stainless steel hot water cylinders, specifically designed for heat pump systems. Steve shares his firsthand experience testing these cylinders on recent installations, highlighting their exceptional build quality and resilience during transportation – a welcome change from the damage often encountered with other brands.In this insightful episode, Nathan, Steve, and Intergas's Dave Hall delve into:

• The Intergas Manufacturing Process: Get a behind-the-scenes look at how these robust stainless steel cylinders are crafted, emphasising the quality and attention to detail that sets them apart.
• Unboxing Success Stories: Steve recounts his positive experiences with the cylinders arriving on site in perfect condition, a significant advantage for installers.
• Heat Pump Industry Evolution: Dave and Steve, both early pioneers in UK domestic heat pump systems, share their perspectives on the significant changes and advancements they've witnessed over the years.
• Anti-Freeze Valves: A discussion on the necessity of anti-freeze valves in heat pump installations.
• Future of the BUS Scheme & A2A Systems: Thought-provoking discussion around the potential inclusion of Air-to-Air (A2A) systems in the Boiler Upgrade Scheme (BUS) and the concerns about a potential influx of low-quality, mass installations.

Key Takeaways:

• Intergas's stainless steel cylinders offer superior build quality and are designed to withstand the demands of heat pump systems.
• Reliable delivery and undamaged products on site save time and hassle for installers.
• The heat pump industry has evolved significantly, and understanding the nuances of system design and regulations is crucial.
• The potential inclusion of A2A in the BUS raises questions about installation quality and long-term efficiency.

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Episode Description: Host Nathan dives into the rapidly evolving world of Artificial Intelligence and its potential impact on the plumbing and heating industry. Joining him are Barrie and Amrit from Lorefuly, experts in leveraging technology for the trades.

Key Discussion Points:

• The Hallucination Hazard: The trio discusses the crucial issue of Large Language Model (LLM) "hallucinations" – where AI systems confidently present inaccurate or fabricated information. This raises serious concerns about relying solely on unverified AI content.
• RAG to the Rescue: The Power of Accurate Data: Barrie and Amrit explain the concept of Retrieval-Augmented Generation (RAG) and its importance in ensuring AI provides reliable and trustworthy information. By grounding AI responses in curated and accurate data, RAG offers a pathway to creating genuinely useful resources for professionals in the field.
• Lorefuly & BetaTeach at the Installer Show 2025: Exciting news! Lorefuly and BetaTeach will be showcasing their AI-powered solutions at the Installer Show 2025 at the NEC. Find out how they are harnessing AI to benefit plumbers and heating engineers.
• OEM Opportunities: Heating appliance manufacturers can get involved in this innovative initiative! Learn how OEMs can contribute their expertise and data to create valuable AI-driven tools for installers.
• Pre-Show Webinars: Stay informed! Nathan, Barrie, and Amrit announce upcoming webinars (first one here: https://tinyurl.com/BetaTalk-AI designed to provide more details on how OEMs can participate and the benefits of getting involved.

Mentioned:

• Artificial Intelligence (AI)
• Large Language Models (LLMs)
• Hallucination (in AI)
• Retrieval-Augmented Generation (RAG)
• Lorefuly
• BetaTeach
• Installer Show 2025 (NEC)
• Original Equipment Manufacturers (OEMs)

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Nathan speaks with Leah Robson, owner of a small SME (Your Energy Your Way) installing heat pumps, batteries, and solar, about her recent appearance at Westminster. Leah gave evidence to the "Workforce Planning to Deliver Clean, Secure Energy" Committee, invited through Ellora Coupe of "Her Retrofit Space." The discussion centres on whether Leah's concerns about workforce training, particularly for heat pump installation, were understood by the committee.

Key Discussion Points:

• Westminster Testimony: Leah shares her experience presenting to the committee and her assessment of whether her points regarding the challenges faced by small businesses were acknowledged.
• The Three-Day Training Issue: The core of the episode focuses on the prevalence of three-day heat pump installation courses and Leah's concerns about their adequacy. She highlights potential issues with the depth of knowledge gained and the practical experience of some trainers.
• Heating Training Grant (HTG): Who Wins? Nathan and Leah explore the effectiveness of the HTG, questioning whether the primary beneficiaries are the awarding bodies, training centers, or the engineers themselves.
• Engineer Perspectives: Feedback from experienced gas engineers who have taken these short courses suggests the training is insufficient and doesn't adequately prepare them for real-world heat pump installations.
• Taxpayer Value: The episode raises concerns about the value for money for UK taxpayers funding the HTG if the resulting training isn't producing competent installers.

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