Cider Chat

By: Ria Windcaller: Award-winning Cidermaker Podcaster | Craft Beer Columnist
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  • Interviewing cidermakers importers, orchardists, foodies, farmers and cider enthusiasts around the world. Let’s delve into the semantics of cider…or is it hard cider, cidre, sidra or fermented apple juice? The truth is out there in Ciderville and we are going to find it. We toast in celebration of cider; As a libation, a gift from the gods, a taste of terroir, and a hard pressed good time. Ready to quench your thirst? Grab a glass and join this chat! See you in Ciderville!
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  • 434: Elevating Cider with a Michelin-Starred Chef

    434: Elevating Cider with a Michelin-Starred Chef
    Nov 20 2024
    Exploring Cider’s Role in Fine Dining In this episode of Cider Chat, we sit down with Chef Ivan Vautier a Michelin-starred chef from Normandy, France, to discuss his approach to pairing cider with food and incorporating it into his dishes. Normandy, as a region is renowned for its cider, Calvados and Pommeau. As such it offers a unique perspective on how this traditional beverage is used in high-end cuisine. Ivan Vautier But does cider get the attention it deserves in fine dining? The answer might surprise you. While this Michelin Chef Vautier highlights some classic applications, like poaching foie gras in cider, the conversation reveals a deeper challenge: even in cider’s heartland, it appears that cider's potential remains under appreciated in haute cuisine. Key Takeaways from a Michelin-Starred Chef Traditional Uses of Cider: Chef Vautier shared his method for preparing foie gras terrine poached in cider, complemented by a semi-dry cider pairing. While a delightful tradition, it underscores the entrenched view of cider as a regional staple rather than an innovative culinary element.Critique of Heavy Cuisine: He addressed the overuse of cream in Normandy dishes, advocating for lighter preparations that let cider’s acidity and flavor shine—a refreshing perspective for modern palates.Missed Opportunities: The chef noted that cider could rival champagne as an aperitif. To create this new vision for cider, Chefs both in France and world wide must be called upon to rev up a sense of enthusiasm and vision to champion this transformation. Cod and Dupont Cidre pairing A Call to Action for the Cider Community This episode highlights the need for cider enthusiasts and producers to work together to elevate cider's status in fine dining. Here are some ideas discussed: Cider Education for Chefs: Host tastings and workshops to showcase cider's complexity and versatility, inspiring chefs to integrate it more deeply into their menus.Collaborative Menus: Develop cider-focused tasting menus and co-create signature ciders tailored for specific cuisines.Inspiring Innovation: Highlight cider's potential as a lighter, fresher alternative to traditional ingredients like cream or wine in sauces and reductions.Elevating Cider’s Image: Serve cider in elegant glassware and market it as a sophisticated aperitif to attract fine dining audiences.Engaging the Culinary World: Partner with culinary schools, host cider-focused food festivals, and celebrate chefs who innovate with cider through awards and recognition. Dessert at Ivan Vautier Why This Matters Cider is more than just a beverage—it’s a bridge between tradition and innovation. This episode sheds light on the barriers holding cider back in fine dining and offers actionable steps to move forward. By working together, producers and enthusiasts can inspire chefs to see cider not just as a drink, but as a transformative ingredient worthy of the world’s finest tables. Cider Dinner at Ivan Vautier Contact info for Ivan Vautier Website: https://www.ivanvautier.com/en/Address: 3 Av. Henry Chéron, 14000 Caen, France Subscribe and Share Enjoyed this episode? Don’t miss more conversations like this! Subscribe to Cider Chat on your favorite podcast platform, and share this episode with friends who love cider and fine dining. Support Cider Chat: Your support helps keep these conversations flowing! Visit CiderChat.com to learn how you can help. Mentions in this Cider Chat CiderCon2025 Promo Code - Once you get to the registration form, towards the end of the first page you'll reach a section in the form that says "additional registration information" and there is a question: If you have a coupon, please enter code here (case-sensitive): CiderChat#xpromoteCider - Tips of the glass to the following brands! Do follow them on instagram! @prairiebearsciderco - Alberta Canada@anchgergely of Abilaget Garden Projects@santacruzciderco - California #ciderGoingUP campaign page
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    53 mins
  • 433: The Ultimate Cider Pairing Guide for Thanksgiving

    433: The Ultimate Cider Pairing Guide for Thanksgiving
    Nov 13 2024
    Why Pair Cider with Thanksgiving Dinner? Cider is a fantastic beverage for Thanksgiving, with a range of flavors to suit savory, sweet, and spicy dishes. It’s an ideal alternative to wine or beer, bringing a refreshing acidity and fruit-forward profile that lifts and enhances Thanksgiving flavors. From crisp dry ciders to dessert-ready ice ciders, there’s a pairing for everyone at your table. Start Thanksgiving with a Cider Aperitif Opening your Thanksgiving celebration with a light cider aperitif or cocktail helps set a festive mood. Here are a few ideas to get started: Lisa Laird CranJack Cocktail 1 1/2 oz. Laird’s Straight Applejack 4 oz. Club soda Cranberry juice Slice of lime Classic Sparkling Cider: A crisp, dry sparkling cider in a champagne flute makes a refreshing, light aperitif. Apple-Ginger Cider Mocktail: Mix sparkling cider with ginger juice and garnish with apple slices for a warming, spiced start to the meal. Main Course: Turkey and Vegetarian Pairings Whether your main course is turkey or a vegetarian option, cider brings out the best in savory herbs and seasonings. Here are a few pairing suggestions For Turkey Lovers Herb-Roasted Turkey with Rosemary and Sage Pair with: Dry, crisp cider from the Finger Lakes or Vermont. Why It Works: The dry cider’s acidity complements the turkey’s rich, savory herbs, offering a light and refreshing contrast to the meat’s natural flavors. Recommended Ciders Alma Cider - Dry (Washington) (500 mL) 6.2% Cockrell Cider - 1783 (Washington) (750 mL) 6.9% Farnum Hill Extra Dry Cider (New Hampshire) 750 mL 7.5% Smoked Turkey Pair with: Barrel-aged cider from California or New York. Why It Works: Aged ciders with a smoky, woody profile enhance the bold, smoky flavor of the turkey, creating a complex and satisfying pairing. Recommended Ciders Bent Ladder Black Gold (Ohio) (750 mL) 8.7% Esso Terra Ciderworks Halcyon (Colorado) (750 mL) 7.6% Presque Isle Farm 2021 Single Barrel: Esopus Spitzenburg (Michigan) (750 mL) 10% For Vegetarian Main Dishes Mushroom Wellington or Stuffed Acorn Squash Pair with: Semi-dry cider from Oregon or Washington. Why It Works: The earthy, umami notes in mushrooms or squash pair beautifully with a semi-dry cider, amplifying the savory herbs in these dishes. Recommended Ciders: Gypsy Circus Cider/ Queen of Swords (Tennessee) (16 Ounce cans) 6% unfiltered medium bodied cider Gypsy Circus 2024 Raindancer (16 Ounce cans) 6% 100% locally sourced Semi dry ciders can be found in every liquor store that sells cider in the US - buy local and enjoy! Side Dish Pairings for Classic Thanksgiving Sides Thanksgiving sides are often seasoned with spices like sage, thyme, and cinnamon. Here’s how cider can enhance these traditional flavors: Savory Stuffing with Sage and Thyme Pair with: Semi-dry cider with herbal notes. Why It Works: A semi-dry cider’s acidity cuts through the richness of stuffing, while herbal undertones bring out the dish’s earthy flavors. Recommended Ciders: Snowdrift Cider - Red Cider 2023 (500 mL) (Colorado) 7.5% A beautiful deep rosé color courtesy of the redfleshed apples Mashed Potatoes and Gravy Pair with: Crisp, dry cider. Why It Works: A dry cider’s refreshing acidity balances the creamy, dense texture of mashed potatoes and gravy. Recommended Ciders: Botanist and Barrel 2022 Less is More Wild Ferment Pétillant Naturel (375ml) & (750 mL) Fermented from wild yeast on the apple skins using the Pétillant Naturel technique, subtle minerality, honey notes and racy acidity Roasted Brussels Sprouts with Balsamic Glaze Pair with: High-acidity, dry cider. Why It Works: The cider’s crispness contrasts with the slight bitterness of Brussels sprouts and enhances the sweetness of the balsamic glaze. Recommended Ciders: Greenbench Webb City's Cellar Northern Spy (Florida) - 6.2% Northern Spy apples fermented dry create this crisp, tart cider. Sweet Potato Casserole with Cinnamon and Nutmeg Pair with: Sweet, spiced cider. Why It Works: Sweeter ciders with notes of cinnamon or nutmeg pick up on the spices in sweet potatoes, adding a warm, cozy feel to the meal. Recommended Ciders: Botanist and Barrel: Scarlet (North Carolina) (750 mL) & (375 mL) 6.9% - Spiced Winter Rose Cider, made with orange peel, cinnamon, star anise, allspice, cloves, dried ginger, nutmeg. Thanksgiving Dessert: Sweet Cider Pairings Finish off your Thanksgiving feast with dessert ciders that enhance the sweet, spiced flavors of classic holiday pies and treats. Pumpkin Pie Pair with: Ice cider from Vermont or New York. Why It Works: Ice cider’s concentrated apple sweetness and acidity balance the spiced pumpkin filling, creating a luxurious, indulgent pairing. Recommended Ciders: Eden Specialty Ciders Heirloom Blend (Vermont) (375 mL) 10% 15 heirloom apple varieties Cider Hill Cellars (Massachusetts) – Winter 12.5% an ...
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    58 mins
  • 432: Ancha Gergely’s Abaliget Garden Projects | Hungarian Cider Maker

    432: Ancha Gergely’s Abaliget Garden Projects | Hungarian Cider Maker
    Nov 6 2024
    Bringing Cider to Hungary: The Story of Abaliget Garden Projects

    In this episode of Cider Chat, we learn about the southwest Hungary, where Ancha Gergely is building Abaliget Garden Projects, her small-scale cidery focused on Hungarian apples, pears, and centuries-old varieties. Ancha’s journey began in England, where she developed a love for cider. For Hungary it appears that there is little known about cider or cider making, prompting her to craft her own.

    Ancha Gergely

    With a deep passion for apples and heritage varieties, Ancha started her orchard in 2018 by grafting local and English varieties onto Hungarian rootstock. Her husband’s contribution of English cider apple graft wood expanded the orchard significantly, leading to her current collection of 600 apple and pear varieties.

    Ciders at Abaliget Orchard Projects

    Ancha crafts unique Hungarian ciders that highlight the region’s apple diversity. Some of her featured ciders include:

    • Fishti – A smoky cider aged in a Speyside whiskey barrel, offering mellow whiskey notes balanced with local apples.
    • Birs is the Hungarian work for Quince – This is a 100% quince cider with a delicate sweetness
    Abaliget Garden’s Quince Cider Back label of Birs – Quince Apple Varieties at Abaliget Garden

    Abaliget Garden includes a mix of English, Hungarian, and other European varieties. Here are a few notable apples in her collection:

    • Kanizsai – A classic Hungarian apple with a sweet profile
    • Húsvéti Rozmaring – Known for its rosemary scent, this apple can keep until Easter
    • Various Perry Pears – 20 different types from the UK, bringing unique flavor profiles for perry production
    Cider Making Techniques at Abaliget

    Ancha’s approach to cider-making combines traditional fermentation methods with her unique orchard composition, balancing Hungarian and English influences. In addition to cider, her nursery serves as a source for new Hungarian cider makers, offering heritage and cider-specific apple trees.

    Contact Info for Abaliget Garden Projects
    • Website: Abaliget Garden Projects via Facebook
    Mentions in the Cider Chat
    • Totally Cider Tours
    • EsoTerra Ciderworks – Arboretum Initiative
    • Cider Explorer review of Abaliget Garden Projects ciders and perry
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    57 mins

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