What if a quiz could make you a better leader? In this episode, we’re cracking open the world of personality tests — Enneagram, Myers-Briggs, StrengthsFinder — to see if they’re more than just fun facts about ourselves. Can these assessments actually help us lead smarter, connect deeper, and build stronger teams? Or are we just boxing people in with catchy labels?

Tune in as the Navigating the 4 hosts participate in each of these personality and strengths assessments to shed light on how personality types, strengths, and communication styles can sharpen self-awareness, transform relationships, and improve leadership — if we use them well. We’ll share the insights, pitfalls, and real-world ways to apply what you learn without turning it into a gimmick. Whether you're a skeptic or a fan of these assessments, this conversation will help you think critically about understanding yourself and those you lead.

Trauma isn’t always what we think it is. It’s not just about one-time events or visible wounds—it can be subtle, hidden, and long-lasting. In this episode, the hosts of Navigating the 4 unpack what trauma really is, how it impacts our minds, bodies, relationships, and faith, and why understanding it is crucial for healing and growth.

Throughout this episode, we explore the different types of trauma, the science behind how it affects the brain and nervous system, and practical steps toward recovery. Tune in for a thoughtful, honest discussion about one of the most important—and misunderstood—topics in emotional and spiritual health.

Why do some churches flourish while others quietly fade away? In this episode, the hosts of Navigating the 4 take a deep dive into the complex realities behind church growth and decline. From shifting demographics and leadership challenges to cultural relevance and spiritual vitality, we explore the key factors that determine a congregation’s survival—or its demise.

Whether you're a faith leader, longtime member, or simply curious about the future of spiritual communities, this episode offers a thoughtful, honest look at what it takes to not just survive—but thrive.

We’ve all been there—fumbling through an uncomfortable silence, misreading a room, or saying the wrong thing at the wrong time. In this episode of Navigating the 4, we unpack the art of navigating awkward moments with grace, wisdom, and authenticity. Whether you're leading a team, trying to restore a broken relationship, or simply trying to survive small talk at a church potluck, join the guys of Navigating the 4, as they explore practical strategies rooted in faith, emotional healing, and effective communication. Discover how awkwardness can actually be a doorway to deeper connection, growth, and even leadership development.

What do Kermit the Frog, Bugs Bunny, and Aladdin have in common? Leadership potential—at least according to the hosts of Navigating The 4. In this episode, we're drafting the ultimate leadership teams, but there's a twist: all our picks are animated characters. From fearless tacticians to empathetic motivators, each host builds their dream team of cartoon captains, explaining why their choices have what it takes to lead.

Tune in as we break down the leadership styles, strengths, and quirks of iconic animated characters. Whether it’s for their strategic mind, positive mindset, or vision for the future, every pick reveals a lot about what great leadership really looks like.

Join in on the poll question for this episode and rank the leadership teams comprised by the hosts.

Join hosts Matt Barker, Jared Gott, Matt Cook, and Nathan Judd beginning this Summer, as they explore topics related to Faith, Healing, Leadership, and Communication while having some fun along the way on the "Navigating The 4" podcast.