What if magic wasn’t just smoke and mirrors, but a doorway into deeper faith? What if curiosity wasn’t something to outgrow, but something to reclaim — even in your walk with Jesus? In this episode, we explore the intersection of illusion, inquiry, and intimacy with God, and how wonder may be one of the most powerful evangelistic tools we’ve overlooked. In this unforgettable conversation, Dr. Zach Clinton and guest co-host Joshua Broome sit down with Drew Worsham, an acclaimed illusionist, author, and pastor who has spent over 20 years integrating magic and ministry in a way that captivates audiences and points them to Christ.

Together, they dive into: how illusions can reveal truth rather than distract from it; the power of childlike faith and spiritual curiosity; why Jesus was the most curious person to walk the earth and how that shaped His relationships; how wonder, empathy, and questioning can deepen our relationship with God and others; practical ways to rekindle awe in an age of cynicism; and Drew’s new book, The Magic of Curiosity, and his heart behind it. Whether you’re a skeptic, seeker, or seasoned believer, this episode will challenge your assumptions and reignite your awe.

Connect with Drew Worsham

📖 The Magic of Curiosity (Book): https://www.drewworsham.com/the-magic-of-curiosity

🏠 The Rim Church (San Antonio, TX): https://www.therim.church

📲 Drew Worsham’s Website & Speaking Inquiries: https://www.drewworsham.com

📸 Instagram: @drewworsham

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In this powerful and personal episode of The Built Different Podcast, Dr. Zach sits down with Meredith Andrews to talk about what it really means to worship through suffering. Known for her anthems of faith and honesty, Meredith opens up about her journey of learning to praise in the valley, not just the victory. Together, Zach and Meredith unpack what it looks like to choose worship as a response — even when emotions are raw and circumstances don’t make sense. They explore why worship is often most powerful in the valley, how praise helps us anchor to God's character in the middle of pain, what it looks like to remember God’s faithfulness when you're tempted to forget, the beauty of raw, real worship that doesn’t fake it — but presses through it, and the stories behind some of Meredith’s most vulnerable songs. This episode is for anyone who feels like lifting their hands is the last thing they want to do — but who’s ready to experience the healing power of God’s presence again.

🔗 Links & Resources

• 🎶 Listen to Meredith’s latest music: https://www.meredithandrews.com/
• 📱 Follow Meredith on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/meremusic/
• 💿 Explore worship resources and tour info: https://www.meredithandrews.com

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In this episode of The Built Different Podcast, Dr. Zach sits down with Zach Windahl, a Bible teacher and the creator of The Brand Sunday, to talk about his brand new book The Bible Simplified. Known for helping people overcome fear and confusion when it comes to Scripture, Zach shares how his own spiritual journey shaped his passion to make the Bible accessible, clear, and transformational for this generation. Together they discuss why the Bible often feels intimidating or overwhelming, the theme of grace that weaves through the entire biblical story, Zach’s personal testimony of going from confusion to calling, practical tools and mindset shifts for understanding, digesting, and living the Word, and how to move from knowledge to transformation through a relationship with Christ. Whether you're new to the Bible or just want to fall in love with it again, this conversation will encourage, equip, and refresh your faith.

🔗 Resources & Links

• 📘 Get the Book – The Bible Simplified: https://shorturl.at/zxsU4
• 📱 Follow Zach Windahl on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/zachwindahl
• 📚 Explore all resources from The Brand Sunday: https://www.thebrandsunday.com

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