What if divorce didn’t have to be as complicated or expensive? Liz Pharo, the founder of Divorce.com, is on a mission to make the divorce process easier and less stressful. In this episode, Liz shares how she transitioned from the tech world to create Divorce.com, a platform designed to help people handle the paperwork, planning, and even mediation in a more streamlined way.

Liz and I talk about the different types of divorce, mediated vs. court-based, and why focusing on the kids and minimizing trauma is key. Plus, Liz shares how Divorce.com can save you time and money, the importance of working with coaches and therapists during the process, and why you need to be aware of sketchy divorce service providers.

Divorce is never simple, but with the right resources and mindset, it doesn’t have to be confusing or exhausting.

What you’ll hear:

• Liz’s journey from software engineer to Divorce.com founder (2:56)
• How Divorce.com simplifies the divorce process (7:57)
• The benefits of mediation and working with professionals (10:30)
• Why being informed about divorce options is crucial (26:12)

Learn more about Liz Pharo: Elizabeth "Liz" Pharo launched Divorce.com in 2022 with the vision of revolutionizing the way people divorce – offering a more compassionate and healthier path with less conflict and financial burden. Amid her own divorce, Liz founded Divorce.com to pave the way for individuals to access online divorce services at a fraction of the cost, as well as eliminate the taboo that still remains around divorce. The company's goal is to have couples planning to divorce first consider “Divorce.com-ing it.” Mediators then guide couples through the Divorce.com process to complete their divorce peacefully with mutual respect for both parties.

Beyond her work helping Divorce.com reduce the time, cost, and trauma of the typical divorce process, Liz is dedicated to the growth and development of her own community and serves on the boards of the Economic Development Partnership of Alabama, Venture for America, and Blight-Free Birmingham. Liz enjoys running and spending time with her family at Lake Martin.

Resources & Links:

Phoenix Rising: A Divorce Empowerment Collective
Unbreakable – the Divorce Recovery Retreat, Sedona, AZ in April 2025
Focused Strategy Sessions with Kate

Divorce.com
Divorce.com on Instagram
Divorce.com on LinkedIn
Divorce.com on TikTok
Divorce.com on Facebook
Divorce.com on YouTube
Liz on LinkedIn
Liz on Instagram

Episode Link:
https://kateanthony.com/podcast/episode-314-streamlining-divorce-with-liz-pharo-founder-of-divorce-com/

Andrea Vacca returns to explore amicable divorce solutions, even in high-conflict cases. While avoiding litigation is often the goal, sometimes it's unavoidable. Andrea breaks down the benefits of staying out of court, how to keep children at the center, and when it’s time to shift from collaboration or mediation to litigation.

Together, we also explore the power of a team-based approach and the role of a divorce coach, specifically how a coach can save you time, money, and energy! With her expertise in collaborative divorce and positive psychology, Andrea offers a fresh, empowering take on navigating divorce without court.

You’ll also hear:

• The misconception that all high-conflict divorces must go to court, and what it really takes to stay out of litigation (5:08)
• Why mediation isn’t always the best fit for high-conflict couples and what alternative approaches may work better (8:53)
• The power of a team approach, including the role of a divorce coach in navigating conflict (11:20)
• Strategies for keeping children at the center of decisions (32:29)

Learn more about Andrea Vacca: Andrea Vacca is the founder of Vacca Family Law Group in Manhattan, a boutique law firm focused on non-adversarial divorce and family law matters including divorce, separation, and prenuptial and postnuptial agreements. With a background in traditional divorce litigation, Andrea now exclusively helps her clients find amicable divorce solutions outside of court. She is a widely recognized collaborative divorce attorney and mediator, former President of the New York Association of Collaborative Professionals, author of the book Divorce Without Court: A More Peaceful Solution, and creator and host of “A Better Divorce” podcast. In addition to her law degree, Andrea holds a Certificate in Positive Psychology and recently became a Certified Positive Psychology Coach. Andrea regularly applies Positive Psychology principles in her work to help her clients navigate divorce, including having a growth mindset, being resilient, and encouraging mindfulness, helping them emerge stronger and more empowered.

Resources & Links:

Unbreakable – the Divorce Recovery Retreat, Sedona, AZ in April 2025
Submit your questions here for possible inclusion in future Q&A podcast episodes
Focused Strategy Sessions with Kate
Phoenix Rising: A Divorce Empowerment Collective

Andrea’s website, Vacca Family Law Group
Get a free digital copy of Andrea's book, Divorce Without Court: A More Peaceful Solution
Andrea on Facebook
Andrea on Instagram
Andrea on LinkedIn
Andrea on YouTube

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DISCLAIMER: THE COMMENTARY AND OPINIONS AVAILABLE ON THIS PODCAST ARE FOR INFORMATIONAL AND ENTERTAINMENT PURPOSES ONLY AND NOT FOR THE PURPOSE OF PROVIDING LEGAL OR PSYCHOLOGICAL ADVICE. YOU SHOULD CONTACT AN ATTORNEY, COACH, OR THERAPIST IN YOUR STATE TO OBTAIN ADVICE WITH RESPECT TO ANY PARTICULAR ISSUE OR PROBLEM.

Episode link:
https://kateanthony.com/podcast/episode-313-divorce-without-court-is-it-really-possible-with-andrea-vacca

John Kim, aka The Angry Therapist, joins me to chat about his new book, Breakup on Purpose: A Catalyst for Growth. A bestselling author, well-known for his raw, no-nonsense approach to self-help, John keeps it real by practicing full authenticity and transparency.

In this episode, he challenges us to rethink breakups. No one really talks about the different kinds of breakups, but John breaks them down into eight distinct types and explains how understanding which one you're going through can be a total game-changer.

We dive into how this framework can help you process your experience, focus your healing, and even turn your breakup into an opportunity for growth.

You’ll also hear:

• Why understanding your specific breakup type can help you prioritize healing (4:55)
• John goes through all eight breakup types and explains the different responses they may create (6:07)
• How healing from divorce is different from other breakups (37:15)

Learn more about John Kim: John Kim, LMFT is a bestselling author with a new book out called: BREAK UP ON PURPOSE: A Catalyst for Growth. Kim blogs as The Angry Therapist, and practices complete authenticity and transparency with his many clients. He is also the bestselling author of: “It’s Not Me, It’s You;” “Single. On Purpose,” and “I Used to be a Miserable F*ck.”

Resources & Links:

Unbreakable – the Divorce Recovery Retreat, Sedona, AZ in April 2025

Submit your questions here for possible inclusion in future Q&A podcast episodes

Focused Strategy Sessions with Kate

Phoenix Rising: A Divorce Empowerment Collective

John’s website

John on Instagram

John on Facebook

John on YouTube

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DISCLAIMER: THE COMMENTARY AND OPINIONS AVAILABLE ON THIS PODCAST ARE FOR INFORMATIONAL AND ENTERTAINMENT PURPOSES ONLY AND NOT FOR THE PURPOSE OF PROVIDING LEGAL OR PSYCHOLOGICAL ADVICE. YOU SHOULD CONTACT AN ATTORNEY, COACH, OR THERAPIST IN YOUR STATE TO OBTAIN ADVICE WITH RESPECT TO ANY PARTICULAR ISSUE OR PROBLEM.

Episode Link:

https://kateanthony.com/podcast/episode-312-breakup-on-purpose-with-the-angry-therapist-john-kim-lmft/