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The Science of Leadership

The Science of Leadership

By: Tom Collins
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The Science of Leadership is the podcast for listeners who want to build their leadership capabilities, providing valuable knowledge, insightful perspectives, and inspiring stories from expert leaders across various fields. The episodes range from one-on-one interviews with experts to discussions between the host and co-host. All episodes are supported by the latest scientific research in leadership, psychology, and other pertinent fields. Whether you’re an aspiring business leader, a healthcare professional, a community leader, or someone passionate about personal growth, our podcast is designed to equip you with the skills and wisdom needed to lead with confidence and impact. Join us on this journey to become a better leader and make a difference in your world!Copyright 2024 All rights reserved. Economics Management Management & Leadership Personal Development Personal Success Science Social Sciences
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  • Unintended Consequences: Understanding 2nd & 3rd Order Effects | Ep. 50 | The Science of Leadership
    Jul 22 2025

    In this insightful segment from The Science of Leadership, host Tom Collins sits down with General Pete Chiarelli, former Chief of Staff of the Army, to unpack the critical concept of second and third-order effects in decision-making.

    General Chiarelli explains that every action has ripple effects, often overlooked when leaders are pressured to solve immediate problems.

    🔸Anticipating Downstream Impacts: He shares a powerful example from his time commanding in Iraq, where extending troop deployments (a seemingly straightforward decision) had significant, often devastating, second and third-order effects on soldiers' families and personal lives back home.

    🔸Proactive Mitigation: True leadership involves anticipating these downstream impacts and proactively working to mitigate them.

    🔸Systemic Flaws in Medical Research: General Chiarelli argues that a major flaw in systems like medical research is the failure to consider these broader effects. He critiques the current research ecosystem, which often prioritizes individual publications and hoards data, hindering collaborative "team science" and slowing breakthrough discoveries, especially for complex issues like brain injuries. This contributes to a system that takes 16 years for scientific breakthroughs to become generally accepted in medicine.

    Learn why considering second and third-order effects isn't "getting into the weeds" but is fundamental to good leadership, fostering learning organizations, and ultimately, showing genuine care for those impacted by decisions.

    Also, I am excited to announce the release of my new book, "The Four Stars of Leadership," a culmination of over three years of dedicated work, and I'm confident it will be an immensely interesting and helpful guide on your journey to becoming a better leader. Don't miss out on this essential resource—order your copy today at https://a.co/d/hoLqz1g and share your thoughts with me!

    To learn more about the Science of Leadership, visit https://www.fourstarleaders.com/

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    28 mins
  • Mentorship's Invaluable Role in Leadership feat. Dr. Debbie Heiser | Ep. 49 | The Science of Leadership
    Jul 15 2025

    In this episode of The Science of Leadership, Tom Collins is joined by Dr. Debbie Heiser, an applied developmental psychologist, founder of The Mentor Project, and author of The Mentorship Edge. They explore the science and power of mentorship, delving into its core components and why it's vital for leadership development and legacy building.

    Dr. Heiser defines mentorship through five key principles, stemming from the developmental milestone of generativity—the innate desire to give back in midlife. These principles include:

    • Generative Match: The mentor must genuinely desire to give, and the mentee must be receptive to receiving what's offered.
    • Intrinsic Motivation: Mentorship is driven by internal rewards, not external compensation. If compensation is involved, it's coaching or advising, not true mentorship.
    • Meaningful Connection: A genuine liking and mutual investment in each other's success is essential.
    • Trust: Both parties must feel safe sharing vulnerabilities without fear of exploitation or negative repercussions.
    • Clear Goals: Mentorship is focused on specific, evolving goals that guide the relationship

    Dr. Heiser emphasizes that mentorship allows individuals to tap into the "wisdom of others" and broaden their paths. She critiques the "gamification" of mentorship in corporate settings, where external incentives can undermine the intrinsic motivation that defines true mentorship. She differentiates mentorship from advising or coaching, noting that while one can wear many hats, the core generative drive makes mentorship unique.

    A fascinating concept explored is "bread crumb legacy" and the "legacy tree". Dr. Heiser shares the inspiring story of Nobel Prize winner Bob Lefkowitz, who mapped his "legacy tree" of mentors and mentees, discovering his impact far beyond his immediate circle. This highlights how even small actions can have a significant, lasting impact.

    The episode concludes with actionable advice: "look to your left and look to your right". Recognize that everyone is a potential mentor or mentee, and approach these interactions with awareness, openness, and curiosity.

    To learn more about Dr. Debbie Heiser's work, visit MentorProject.org and https://deborahheiser.com/ and check out her book, The Mentorship Edge.

    To learn more about the Science of Leadership, visit https://www.fourstarleaders.com/

    References

    Heiser, D. (2024). The Mentorship Edge: Creating Maximum Impact through Lateral and Hierarchical Mentoring. Wiley.

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    29 mins
  • Maintaining Composure When It Hits the Fan w/ Admiral Jim Loy | Ep. 48 | The Science of Leadership
    Jul 8 2025

    In this compelling episode of The Science of Leadership, Tom Collins sits down with Admiral Jim Loy, former Commandant of the U.S. Coast Guard and Deputy Secretary of Homeland Security, to explore the profound impact of remaining calm and maintaining composure under pressure.

    Admiral Loy shares a pivotal, "big screen worthy" story from his early days as a young ensign during a treacherous North Atlantic storm in 1965. He recounts a moment where his Captain, Jack Forrester, calmly corrected a critical error without a word, teaching an invaluable lesson in leadership, responsibility, and the power of composure in crisis. This experience cemented Admiral Loy's lifelong philosophy: Preparation Equals Performance.

    The discussion delves into how extensive preparation, through practice and mental envisioning, builds both muscle memory and neural pathways that enable calm and effective performance in high-stakes situations. Admiral Loy further illustrates this by describing his time commanding a patrol boat during the Vietnam War, emphasizing the life-and-death responsibilities that underscored the importance of unwavering composure.

    Tom Collins highlights the scientific backing for remaining calm, noting that it:

    🔸Instills confidence and trust in those being led.

    🔸Enhances rational and wise decision-making.

    🔸Reduces team stress and anxiety, leading to better performance.

    🔸Helps maintain clarity and a long-term perspective.

    🔸Fosters a positive organizational culture.

    Admiral Loy shares how he implemented "PEP Awards" (Preparation Equals Performance) to recognize and reinforce this vital behavior throughout the Coast Guard. The episode concludes with a powerful message: leadership is a lifelong learning process , and cultivating a prepared mindset allows leaders to "slice through the fog" when confronted with challenges.

    To learn more about the Science of Leadership, visit https://www.fourstarleaders.com/

    References

    Bass, B. M., & Riggio, R. E. (2006). Transformational Leadership (2nd ed.). Psychology Press.

    Covey, S. R. (2004). The 7 Habits of Highly Effective People: Powerful Lessons in Personal Change. Free Press.

    Goleman, D. (1998). Emotional Intelligence: Why It Can Matter More Than IQ. Bantam Books.

    Goleman, D. (1998). "What Makes a Leader?" Harvard Business Review.

    Heifetz, R. A., & Linsky, M. (2002). Leadership on the Line: Staying Alive Through the Dangers of Leading. Harvard Business Review Press.

    Kahneman, D. (2011). Thinking, Fast and Slow. Farrar, Straus and Giroux.

    Kouzes, J. M., & Posner, B. Z. (2017). The Leadership Challenge: How to Make Extraordinary Things Happen in Organizations. Jossey-Bass.

    Loy, J. M., & Phillips, D. T. (2013). The Architecture of Leadership: Preparation Equals Performance. Naval Institute Press.

    McKee, A., Boyatzis, R., & Johnston, F. (2008). Becoming a Resonant Leader: Develop Your Emotional Intelligence, Renew Your Relationships, Sustain Your Effectiveness. Harvard Business Press.

    Phillips, D. T., & Loy, J. M. (2003). Character in Action: The U.S. Coast Guard on Leadership. Naval Institute Press.

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    41 mins
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