Episodes

  • 16 - Navigating Love & Fascism

    16 - Navigating Love & Fascism
    May 6 2025

    16 - Navigating Love & Fascism

    The Unlearning Curve Podcast

    Copyright 2025 - Stuart Delony & Karl Forehand

    theunlearningcurvepodcast@gmail.com

    While many of us yearn for truth and understanding, the systems we participate in often prevent us from attaining genuine freedom in our everyday lives. As we move away from organized religion, we begin to recognize patterns. We believe that addressing many of these challenges requires us to examine all aspects of our lives, including:

    * Toxic Leaders

    * Toxic/Dangerous Organizations

    * Our Mental Well-Being

    * The Things We Learn on the Journey

    Regardless of your belief system, we encourage you to unlearn anything that doesn’t benefit you. This will lead to healing and uncover a new way forward!

    JD Forehand is the son of a preacher and an overseas educator. Stuart Delony is a former pastor, podcaster, and blogger for the Snarky Faith community. Karl Forehand is a former pastor who runs The Desert Sanctuary, a home for spiritual nomads, with his wife, Laura.

    Disclaimer: We view ourselves as practitioners on a journey of discovery rather than as experts. While we strive to transparently share our experiences and the lessons we’re unlearning, we will also refer you to professionals when necessary. Trusted guides will arrive when you need them.

    Feel free to convey your thoughts, concerns, and necessary corrections to Karl (karl4hand@gmail.com) or Stuart (stuartdelony@gmail.com). Additionally, visit our Facebook page, The Unlearning Curve.
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    31 mins
  • 15 - Fallout from the Prosperity Gospel

    15 - Fallout from the Prosperity Gospel
    Apr 29 2025

    15 - Fallout from the Prosperity Gospel

    The Unlearning Curve Podcast

    Copyright 2025 - Stuart Delony & Karl Forehand

    theunlearningcurvepodcast@gmail.com

    While many of us yearn for truth and understanding, the systems we participate in often prevent us from attaining genuine freedom in our everyday lives. As we move away from organized religion, we begin to recognize patterns. We believe that addressing many of these challenges requires us to examine all aspects of our lives, including:

    * Toxic Leaders

    * Toxic/Dangerous Organizations

    * Our Mental Well-Being

    * The Things We Learn on the Journey

    Regardless of your belief system, we encourage you to unlearn anything that doesn’t benefit you. This will lead to healing and uncover a new way forward!

    JD Forehand is the son of a preacher and an overseas educator. Stuart Delony is a former pastor, podcaster, and blogger for the Snarky Faith community. Karl Forehand is a former pastor who runs The Desert Sanctuary, a home for spiritual nomads, with his wife, Laura.

    Disclaimer: We view ourselves as practitioners on a journey of discovery rather than as experts. While we strive to transparently share our experiences and the lessons we’re unlearning, we will also refer you to professionals when necessary. Trusted guides will arrive when you need them.

    Feel free to convey your thoughts, concerns, and necessary corrections to Karl (karl4hand@gmail.com) or Stuart (stuartdelony@gmail.com). Additionally, visit our Facebook page, The Unlearning Curve.
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    29 mins
  • 14 - Prosperity Gospel

    14 - Prosperity Gospel
    Apr 23 2025

    14 – Prosperity Gospel

    The dysfunction and harm caused by the Prosperity Gospel

    The Unlearning Curve Podcast

    Copyright 2025 - Stuart Delony & Karl Forehand

    theunlearningcurvepodcast@gmail.com

    While many of us yearn for truth and understanding, the systems we participate in often prevent us from attaining genuine freedom in our everyday lives. As we move away from organized religion, we begin to recognize patterns. We believe that addressing many of these challenges requires us to examine all aspects of our lives, including:

    * Toxic Leaders

    * Toxic/Dangerous Organizations

    * Our Mental Well-Being

    * The Things We Learn on the Journey

    Regardless of your belief system, we encourage you to unlearn anything that doesn’t benefit you. This will lead to healing and uncover a new way forward!

    JD Forehand is the son of a preacher and an overseas educator. Stuart Delony is a former pastor, podcaster, and blogger for the Snarky Faith community. Karl Forehand is a former pastor who runs The Desert Sanctuary, a home for spiritual nomads, with his wife, Laura.

    Disclaimer: We view ourselves as practitioners on a journey of discovery rather than as experts. While we strive to transparently share our experiences and the lessons we’re unlearning, we will also refer you to professionals when necessary. Trusted guides will arrive when you need them.

    Feel free to convey your thoughts, concerns, and necessary corrections to Karl (karl4hand@gmail.com) or Stuart (stuartdelony@gmail.com). Additionally, visit our Facebook page, The Unlearning Curve.

    deconstruction, women, religion, spirituality, trauma, Exvangelical, post-Christian, toxic religion, healing, religious trauma, Out into the Desert, Leaning Forward, theologians, LGBTQ+, unlearning curve, the unlearning curve
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    33 mins
  • 13 - Paula White-Cain

    13 - Paula White-Cain
    Apr 16 2025

    13 – Paula Whiote-Cain

    The Unlearning Curve Podcast

    Copyright 2025 - Stuart Delony & Karl Forehand

    theunlearningcurvepodcast@gmail.com

    While many of us yearn for truth and understanding, the systems we participate in often prevent us from attaining genuine freedom in our everyday lives. As we move away from organized religion, we begin to recognize patterns. We believe that addressing many of these challenges requires us to examine all aspects of our lives, including:

    * Toxic Leaders

    * Toxic/Dangerous Organizations

    * Our Mental Well-Being

    * The Things We Learn on the Journey

    Regardless of your belief system, we encourage you to unlearn anything that doesn’t benefit you. This will lead to healing and uncover a new way forward!

    JD Forehand is the son of a preacher and an overseas educator. Stuart Delony is a former pastor, podcaster, and blogger for the Snarky Faith community. Karl Forehand is a former pastor who runs The Desert Sanctuary, a home for spiritual nomads, with his wife, Laura.

    Disclaimer: We view ourselves as practitioners on a journey of discovery rather than as experts. While we strive to transparently share our experiences and the lessons we’re unlearning, we will also refer you to professionals when necessary. Trusted guides will arrive when you need them.

    Feel free to convey your thoughts, concerns, and necessary corrections to Karl (karl4hand@gmail.com) or Stuart (stuartdelony@gmail.com). Additionally, visit our Facebook page, The Unlearning Curve.
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    27 mins
  • 12 - Advocating for Women in Marginalized Spaces

    12 - Advocating for Women in Marginalized Spaces
    Apr 9 2025

    12 – Advocating for Women in Marginalized Spaces

    The Unlearning Curve Podcast

    Copyright 2025 - Stuart Delony & Karl Forehand

    theunlearningcurvepodcast@gmail.com

    While many of us yearn for truth and understanding, the systems we participate in often prevent us from attaining genuine freedom in our everyday lives. As we move away from organized religion, we begin to recognize patterns. We believe that addressing many of these challenges requires us to examine all aspects of our lives, including:

    * Toxic Leaders

    * Toxic/Dangerous Organizations

    * Our Mental Well-Being

    * The Things We Learn on the Journey

    Regardless of your belief system, we encourage you to unlearn anything that doesn’t benefit you. This will lead to healing and uncover a new way forward!

    YouTube Version - https://youtu.be/FR3QQwjNk9I

    JD Forehand is the son of a preacher and an overseas educator. Stuart Delony is a former pastor, podcaster, and blogger for the Snarky Faith community. Karl Forehand is a former pastor who runs The Desert Sanctuary, a home for spiritual nomads, with his wife, Laura.

    Disclaimer: We view ourselves as practitioners on a journey of discovery rather than as experts. While we strive to transparently share our experiences and the lessons we’re unlearning, we will also refer you to professionals when necessary. Trusted guides will arrive when you need them.

    Feel free to convey your thoughts, concerns, and necessary corrections to Karl (karl4hand@gmail.com) or Stuart (stuartdelony@gmail.com). Additionally, visit our Facebook page, The Unlearning Curve.
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    32 mins
  • 22 - Tim Whitaker & TNE - How We Enable Abusers

    22 - Tim Whitaker & TNE - How We Enable Abusers
    Apr 4 2025
    22 – Tim Whitaker & TNE – How We Enable Abusers This Episode will be released on both The Unlearning Curve and the Desert Sanctuary podcasts. It dives deeper into how we have operated in the past and how people enable the abuser to behave badly (led by Megan South Benninger). History During the 2023 incident with platforming an accused abuser at the Theo bros beer camp, The New Evangelicals and Tim Whitaker were deeply involved in participating and promoting. When abuse survivors asked for an explanation, they were ignored, dismissed, and harassed, including me. Megan Benninger joined us on the Desert Sanctuary Podcast to discuss the incident, but very few supportive actions were taken by the speakers who were encouraged to speak up. Tim responded with a video, after 5 minutes of research and talking to the accused abuser, that was eventually removed by his board. Here is our podcast episodes if you want that history. I will also include other episodes that followed, with several others. https://thedesertsanctuary.org/2023/08/24/special-edition-spiritual-abuse-tne-tony-jones-and-the-theo-bros/ https://thedesertsanctuary.org/2024/02/01/314-david-hayward-patriarchy-narcissism-and-abuse/ https://thedesertsanctuary.org/2023/12/31/301-brad-sargent-becky-garrison-narciccism-and-religious-trauma/ The Current Situation Last year (2024), there was an incident between Tim Whitaker and a female employee, which was severe enough to warrant an investigation by Grace, an organization suited to helping groups like churches get the facts about issues that arise. Here are some of the blogs that came out. The Organization Comes First – Karl Forehand TNE Reckoning Announcement – from RV and W1(link to report) Allegations against Tim Whitaker and The New Evangelicals show how hierarchy transfers to progressive ministries – Rick Pidcock That time I got an angry call from the subject of an article about anger and abuse - Rick Pidcock Is Nowhere Safe? 5 Things Whistleblower Helpers Should Do Instead of Repeating Harmful History – Rebecca Hopkins TNE and Trauma: Not So Fast is Wiser than Let's Move On – Tia Levings Bodies Behind the Bus Podcast The Net Grace report was a thorough report. Still, even while the online communities were trying to digest it and report on the situation, Tim Whittaker behaved badly and tried actively to convince people not to make this a big deal. The incident involved rage driving, which traumatized the victim, and Tam posted a video at his workout facility with the song “Student Driver.” Various things led us to believe that he was not serious about changing or the allegations, TNE was partially responsible for enabling this behavior. The Unlearning Curve Podcast Copyright 2025 - Stuart Delony & Karl Forehand theunlearningcurvepodcast@gmail.com While many of us yearn for truth and understanding, the systems we participate in often prevent us from attaining genuine freedom in our everyday lives. As we move away from organized religion, we begin to recognize patterns. We believe that addressing many of these challenges requires us to examine all aspects of our lives, including: * Toxic Leaders * Toxic/Dangerous Organizations * Our Mental Well-Being * The Things We Learn on the Journey Regardless of your belief system, we encourage you to unlearn anything that doesn’t benefit you. This will lead to healing and uncover a new way forward! JD Forehand is the son of a preacher and an overseas educator. Stuart Delony is a former pastor, podcaster, and blogger for the Snarky Faith community. Karl Forehand is a former pastor who runs The Desert Sanctuary, a home for spiritual nomads, with his wife, Laura. Disclaimer: We view ourselves as practitioners on a journey of discovery rather than as experts. While we strive to transparently share our experiences and the lessons we’re unlearning, we will also refer you to professionals when necessary. Trusted guides will arrive when you need them. Feel free to convey your thoughts, concerns, and necessary corrections to Karl (karl4hand@gmail.com) or Stuart (stuartdelony@gmail.com). Additionally, visit our Facebook page, The Unlearning Curve.
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    55 mins
  • 21 - Tim Whitaker & TNE - Not Getting It

    21 - Tim Whitaker & TNE - Not Getting It
    Apr 4 2025
    21 – Tim Whitaker & TNE – Still Not Getting It This Episode will be released on both The Unlearning Curve and the Desert Sanctuary podcasts. This episode is an introduction to the situation, and the second episode dives deeper into how we have operated in the past and how people enable the abuser to behave badly (led by Megan South Benninger). History During the 2023 incident with platforming an accused abuser at the Theo bros beer camp, The New Evangelicals and Tim Whitaker were deeply involved in participating and promoting. When abuse survivors asked for an explanation, they were ignored, dismissed, and harassed, including me. Megan Benninger joined us on the Desert Sanctuary Podcast to discuss the incident, but very few supportive actions were taken by the speakers who were encouraged to speak up. Tim responded with a video, after 5 minutes of research and talking to the accused abuser, that was eventually removed by his board. Here is our podcast episodes if you want that history. I will also include other episodes that followed, with several others. https://thedesertsanctuary.org/2023/08/24/special-edition-spiritual-abuse-tne-tony-jones-and-the-theo-bros/ https://thedesertsanctuary.org/2024/02/01/314-david-hayward-patriarchy-narcissism-and-abuse/ https://thedesertsanctuary.org/2023/12/31/301-brad-sargent-becky-garrison-narciccism-and-religious-trauma/ The Current Situation Last year (2024), there was an incident between Tim Whitaker and a female employee, which was severe enough to warrant an investigation by Grace, an organization suited to helping groups like churches get the facts about issues that arise. Here are some of the blogs that came out. The Organization Comes First – Karl Forehand TNE Reckoning Announcement – from RV and W1(link to report) Allegations against Tim Whitaker and The New Evangelicals show how hierarchy transfers to progressive ministries – Rick Pidcock That time I got an angry call from the subject of an article about anger and abuse - Rick Pidcock Is Nowhere Safe? 5 Things Whistleblower Helpers Should Do Instead of Repeating Harmful History – Rebecca Hopkins TNE and Trauma: Not So Fast is Wiser than Let's Move On – Tia Levings Bodies Behind the Bus Podcast The Net Grace report was a thorough report. Still, even while the online communities were trying to digest it and report on the situation, Tim Whittaker behaved badly and tried actively to convince people not to make this a big deal. The incident involved rage driving, which traumatized the victim, and Tam posted a video at his workout facility with the song “Student Driver.” Various things led us to believe that he was not serious about changing or the allegations, TNE was partially responsible for enabling this behavior. The Unlearning Curve Podcast Copyright 2025 - Stuart Delony & Karl Forehand theunlearningcurvepodcast@gmail.com While many of us yearn for truth and understanding, the systems we participate in often prevent us from attaining genuine freedom in our everyday lives. As we move away from organized religion, we begin to recognize patterns. We believe that addressing many of these challenges requires us to examine all aspects of our lives, including: * Toxic Leaders * Toxic/Dangerous Organizations * Our Mental Well-Being * The Things We Learn on the Journey Regardless of your belief system, we encourage you to unlearn anything that doesn’t benefit you. This will lead to healing and uncover a new way forward! JD Forehand is the son of a preacher and an overseas educator. Stuart Delony is a former pastor, podcaster, and blogger for the Snarky Faith community. Karl Forehand is a former pastor who runs The Desert Sanctuary, a home for spiritual nomads, with his wife, Laura. Disclaimer: We view ourselves as practitioners on a journey of discovery rather than as experts. While we strive to transparently share our experiences and the lessons we’re unlearning, we will also refer you to professionals when necessary. Trusted guides will arrive when you need them. Feel free to convey your thoughts, concerns, and necessary corrections to Karl (karl4hand@gmail.com) or Stuart (stuartdelony@gmail.com). Additionally, visit our Facebook page, The Unlearning Curve.
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    34 mins
  • 11 - What are ACEs and AREs in Trauma Recovery

    11 - What are ACEs and AREs in Trauma Recovery
    Apr 2 2025

    # – Title of Episode

    Summary

    The Unlearning Curve Podcast

    Copyright 2025 - Stuart Delony & Karl Forehand

    theunlearningcurvepodcast@gmail.com

    While many of us yearn for truth and understanding, the systems we participate in often prevent us from attaining genuine freedom in our everyday lives. As we move away from organized religion, we begin to recognize patterns. We believe that addressing many of these challenges requires us to examine all aspects of our lives, including:

    * Toxic Leaders

    * Toxic/Dangerous Organizations

    * Our Mental Well-Being

    * The Things We Learn on the Journey

    Regardless of your belief system, we encourage you to unlearn anything that doesn’t benefit you. This will lead to healing and uncover a new way forward!

    JD Forehand is the son of a preacher and an overseas educator. Stuart Delony is a former pastor, podcaster, and blogger for the Snarky Faith community. Karl Forehand is a former pastor who runs The Desert Sanctuary, a home for spiritual nomads, with his wife, Laura.

    Disclaimer: We view ourselves as practitioners on a journey of discovery rather than as experts. While we strive to transparently share our experiences and the lessons we’re unlearning, we will also refer you to professionals when necessary. Trusted guides will arrive when you need them.

    YouTube version - https://youtu.be/9FiDrgxlyoY

    Feel free to convey your thoughts, concerns, and necessary corrections to Karl (karl4hand@gmail.com) or Stuart (stuartdelony@gmail.com). Additionally, visit our Facebook page, The Unlearning Curve.
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    35 mins
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