• When We're Not Hustling: Sex Workers Talking About Everything But

  • By: Jessie Sage
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When We're Not Hustling: Sex Workers Talking About Everything But

By: Jessie Sage
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  • When We’re Not Hustling is a twice monthly podcast that explores the lives and identities of sex workers outside our personas. Each episode features a long-form interview with a sex worker, where we talk about everything but work: personal philosophies, ambitions, family, relationships, passions, hobbies, mental and physical health, identity, spirituality, meaning-making, and more. On this show, we learn who sex workers are outside of the work they are known for. When We’re Not Hustling is an exploration of the people behind the fantasies.
    2024
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  • S3 E10: What Do Mobile Peepshows, Burlesque and Non Profits Have in Common? Ruby

    S3 E10: What Do Mobile Peepshows, Burlesque and Non Profits Have in Common? Ruby
    Mar 10 2025
    In this episode of When We're Not Hustling, Jessie Sage speaks with Ruby about her extensive work with the Peers Victoria Resources Society, a nonprofit supporting sex workers in Victoria, BC. Ruby shares insights into the organization's history and services, such as night outreach and harm reduction programs. She discusses the challenges sex workers face, including legal issues under the Nordic model and societal stigma, and highlights efforts to reform Canadian sex work laws. Ruby also touches on her personal journey from being sex work-adjacent to advocating for sex worker rights and her creative endeavors, including a traveling peep show and spoken word poetry. The conversation reflects on the importance of community support, inclusivity, and the intersectionality within advocacy work. In this Episode: 00:02:48 Emily Foster, the producer, introduces the episode and announces a giveaway. 00:06:07 Discussion on the Red Umbrella March and efforts to end violence against sex workers. 00:10:05 Overview of Peers Victoria Resources Society and its programs supporting sex workers. 00:15:21 Discussion on the legal challenges faced by sex workers in Canada, including the constitutional challenge against current laws. 00:21:03 Ruby shares her journey from being sex work-adjacent to becoming an advocate and worker. 00:28:12 Conversation on the intersection of burlesque and sex work, and changes in the burlesque community. 00:34:49 Importance of supporting marginalized voices within sex work advocacy. 00:41:00 Ruby discusses personal growth and accomplishments through her advocacy work. 00:48:09 Ruby performs her spoken word piece, "Bimbo," highlighting the sex worker experience. 00:52:03 Ruby describes her mobile peep show project and the challenges faced in promoting it. 01:00:39 Ruby shares her concerns and goals for mobilizing the community against potential conservative government changes. 01:02:02 Closing remarks and where to find more about Ruby and Peers Victoria Resources Society. Guest: Ruby is a bimbo with multiple personalities, an innovative visionary who has owned her own entertainment company for over 15 years. Ruby Entertainments fearlessly recreates the ritual of Bachelor Party Culture by combining sex positivity with consent through a playful platform of dance, connection, and touch. Notably she was granted a moderate sum from the BC government to build the world’s first contemporary mobile Peepshow. Ruby’s Pop Up Peepshow came to life in 2023! With a BA in Gender Studies she is the perfect mix of tits, wits, and glitz. As Ginger Kittens, she is a burlesque dancer in the award winning troupe, The Cheesecake Burlesque Revue. She is also an accomplished poet and playwright. Instagram: @RubyPeepShow X/Twitter: @RubyEntertains Website: RubyEntertainments.com Recommendations: Journal: The Anti-Trafficking Review Podcasts: The Oldest Profession by Kaitlyn Bailey Stripped by SIA The Rest: Enter to win a custom leather harness by Mia Walsh! Contest closes on 3/21/2025. Visit our socials for instructions! Host: Jessie Sage Producer: Emily Foster Music: Benjamin J Benamati Sponsor: Assembly Four Powered by Black Venom Digital When We’re Not Hustling is a 501(c)(3) non-profit project of the Social Good Fund. You can support our show with your tax-deductive donation HERE.
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    1 hr and 3 mins
  • S3 E9: I'm an Immigrant Six Times Over, and My Heart Helps Me Find a Sense of Home with Savannah

    S3 E9: I'm an Immigrant Six Times Over, and My Heart Helps Me Find a Sense of Home with Savannah
    Mar 3 2025
    In this episode of When We're Not Hustling, Jessie Sage interviews Savannah, a UK-based full-service sex worker turned webcam model and contemporary artist. Savannah discusses her self-care guide for sex workers, emphasizing the importance of acknowledging sex workers as full people with complex lives beyond their jobs. She shares how art has helped her find a sense of home and belonging as an immigrant and how it aids in processing her experiences of survival and stigma. Savannah's work includes the Self Care for Sex Workers Journal, aimed at promoting well-being and balance for sex workers, and her latest book, Salute the Light Within You, which explores her journey through domestic violence and addiction recovery. The episode underscores the importance of destigmatizing sex work and recognizing the humanity of those within the industry. In this Episode: 00:04:07 Introduction to Savannah, a full-service sex worker and artist, and the topics of the interview including self-care and art. 00:06:46 Savannah discusses her background, her transition from full-service sex work to webcam modeling, and her art practice. 00:11:01 Savannah talks about how her art is a response to her experience of erasure and survival as an immigrant and sex worker. 00:19:09 Savannah and Jessie discuss the difficulty of recognizing safety and security after years of survival mode. 00:28:04 Discussion on the importance of self-care for sex workers and the creation of Savannah's journal. 00:32:42 Conversation about financial stigma and challenges faced by sex workers in managing money. 00:41:43 Discussion about the boundaries and care dynamics in sex work, and how these experiences translate to Savannah's art. 00:56:00 Jessie wraps up the episode with final thoughts and asks Savannah about her current interests and projects. Guest: Savannah is an Indian Web Cam Model, 6 time Immigrant and Contemporary Artist based in London, UK. In 2022 she published the Self Care for Sex Workers Journal which centres the lives, well being and spirits of Sex Workers as deserving and vital. Born from her understanding of Self Care and Community as Reclamation from a stigma induced Survival Mode existence, the Journal offers a holistic guide to well being through eye opening, step by step guidance around nutrition, finance, rest, pleasure and diversifying in business and life aspirations. Rooted in doing less and letting go, and creating expansion through rest and replenishment, the prompts provide release from the hustle and grind aspects of our Labour, to move from surviving to thriving, from burn out to balance. Instagram: @selfcare4sxwkrs X/Twitter: @selfcare4sxwkrs Website: myspacetobreathe.art Substack: substack.com/@annaandtheelephant Recommendations: Books: Three Women, by Lisa Taddeo Queenie, by Candice Carty-Williams Podcasts: Where Should We Begin? with Esther Perel How's Work? with Esther Perel The Rest: Host: Jessie Sage Producer: Emily Foster Music: Benjamin J Benamati Sponsor: Assembly Four Powered by Black Venom Digital When We’re Not Hustling is a 501(c)(3) non-profit project of the Social Good Fund. You can support our show with your tax-deductive donation HERE.
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    1 hr
  • S3 E8: I Am a Pro Domme and a Pro Wrestler—I Like to Play the Heel with Katarina

    S3 E8: I Am a Pro Domme and a Pro Wrestler—I Like to Play the Heel with Katarina
    Feb 24 2025
    In this episode of When We're Not Hustling, host Jessie Sage and guest Katarina "The Domme Kat" Pierce delve into her journey from TV production and journalism to becoming a co-founder of the Sex Work Survival Guide, a nonprofit providing crucial resources and education to sex workers. The conversation covers the challenges and stigmas within the sex industry, the importance of safety and community, and the unique blend of creativity and empowerment found in wrestling and BDSM. Katarina highlights her passion for wrestling as both an art form and a means of personal expression, illustrating how it allows for a dynamic interplay of strength, storytelling, and connection with clients. The episode also touches on the broader cultural narratives surrounding sex work and wrestling, emphasizing the transformative power of embracing one's true self and the support found within the sex work community. In this Episode: 00:02:49 Emily Foster introduces herself as the producer and talks about upcoming projects, including Jessie's book and TEDx Talk. 00:03:55 Introduction of Katarina, discussing her work and her nonprofit. 00:06:11 Katarina shares the challenges of entering the industry and the purpose behind the Sex Work Survival Guide. 00:09:30 Discussion about the format of the Sex Work Survival Guide conferences and speaker series. 00:18:19 Katarina discusses her journey into sex work and the reasons for choosing this path. 00:28:15 Jessie and Katarina discuss the dynamics of submission and fetishism in their work. 00:42:39 Discussion about the body emphasis in wrestling and how it intersects with sex work. 00:50:12 Katarina explains how sessions are like improv dance and the importance of consent. 00:57:04 Katarina shares one of her most fun sessions, involving role play and exploration. 01:02:02 Katarina and Jessie discuss their intentions for balancing work and personal life. Guest: Katarina "The Domme Kat" Pierce is a NYC-based fetish wrestler, ProDomme, adult actress and producer, kink educator and experience creator. With Tiana "Glittersaurus Rex" and Dr. Ash Dark, Kat co-founded SW Survival Guide, a non-profit dedicated to the idea that life-saving information shouldn't be gatekept because “survival shouldn't be a luxury.” Katarina comes from the world of TV production and print journalism. When she's editing content and her mom calls to ask what she's doing, Kat gets to say, "Using my college degree." Instagram: @domina_katarina X/Twitter: @TheDommeKat Bluesky: thedommekat.bsky.social Website: theDommeKat.com or www.thedominakatarina.com Recommendations: Books: Wake: The Hidden History of Women-Led Slave Revolts, by Rebecca Hall Music: Marc Anthony Podcasts: The Mystery Hour-Rabia Chaudry The Hidden Djinn - Rabia Chaudry The Rest: Host: Jessie Sage Producer: Emily Foster Music: Benjamin J Benamati Sponsor: Assembly Four Powered by Black Venom Digital When We’re Not Hustling is a 501(c)(3) non-profit project of the Social Good Fund. You can support our show with your tax-deductive donation HERE.
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    1 hr and 4 mins

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