• S2 E18 AP: I'm a Proud Bed-Rotter, and I Think Everyone Should Try It
    Nov 6 2024

    In this episode of When We're Not Hustling: The Afterparty, hosts Jesse Sage, Emily Foster, and guest host Emery Fields discuss the concept of "bedrotting," inspired by a recent episode featuring Lana Hart—a New York City-based stripper, writer, sex worker, and stand-up comic. In her article for the Tryst Blog titled "Hobby Whores," Lana describes "bedrotting" as the intentional act of lying in bed to relax and recharge. The hosts emphasize the importance of viewing downtime as an active and valuable part of self-care, especially in a hustle-driven economy where constant productivity is often the norm. They highlight how scheduling time for rest is essential for mental health, creativity, and maintaining balance.

    The discussion also delves into the challenges of separating personal life from work as artists and freelancers, where even moments of relaxation can feel tied to productivity. Each host shares their experiences with balancing work and downtime, striving to embrace rest without constantly measuring it against their professional output. They conclude by celebrating the joy of transforming everyday experiences into art and meaningful discussions while acknowledging the necessity of rest to sustain their passion and effectiveness.

    In This Episode:

    00:12: Introducing guest host Emery Fields

    01:02: Discussing live event and upcoming episodes

    02:02: Explanation of bedrotting and its origins

    03:20: Bedrotting as a restorative process

    05:04: Bedrotting compared to couch relaxation

    06:47: Watching TV as part of bedrotting

    09:02: TV shows and off-grid living discussion

    10:49: Balancing work and life with active bedrotting

    17:37: Scheduling downtime for mental health benefits

    People:

    Guest: Lana Hart

    Hosts: Jessie Sage, Emily Foster, Emery Fields

    Producer: Emily Foster

    Music: Benjamin J Benamati

    You can support the show at pateron.com/sapiotextual

    When We're Not Hustling is a 501(c)(3) non-profit project of the Social Good Fund.

    You can support our show with your tax-deductive donation HERE.

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    36 mins
  • S2 E18: I'm a Proud Bed-Rotter, and I Think Everyone Should Try It with Lana Hart
    Nov 4 2024

    In this special crossover episode with Tryst blog's "Hobby Whores" column, host Jessie Sage sits down with Lana Hart, a sex worker, comedian, and writer, to explore the concept of "bed rotting." Described as the act of lying in bed to recharge and care for oneself, bed rotting is framed as an essential form of self-care—especially for those in demanding professions like sex work.

    Together, Lana and Jessie discuss the mental and emotional demands of sex work, from the pressure of constant social engagement to the need for meaningful downtime. They challenge societal expectations around productivity, emphasizing that rest is a valuable activity rather than a guilty indulgence. The conversation also covers the balance between personal relationships and the intensity of their work, underscoring the importance of dedicating time to oneself. By embracing restorative activities like watching favorite shows or pursuing hobbies, the episode highlights the therapeutic benefits of rest and self-care.

    Lana Hart's Article:

    Hobby Whores: Bedrotting with Lana Hart

    In This Episode:

    00:01: Introduction to When We're Not Hustling

    01:24: Overview of Podcast and Mission

    02:44: Crossover Episode with Tryst Blog

    03:58: Raffle Announcement and Future Episodes

    05:16: Introduction of Guest Lana Hart

    06:27: Lana Hart Discusses Bed Rotting

    09:18: The Importance of Rest in Sex Work

    17:30: Challenges of Maintaining Social Energy

    20:08: Regular Clients and Relationship Dynamics

    21:32: Bed Rotting as Self-Care Practice

    Guest:

    Lana Hart is a comedian, sex worker, and writer; a woman who wears many hats and sometimes wears nothing at all.

    Lana moved to New York City in 2014 after graduating from Emerson College to pursue a career in stand up comedy and comedy writing. While doing nightly comedy shows, occasional tours, and various freelance gigs, she picked up multiple side hustles to support herself. In 2018, she finally found one that stuck when she began stripping. Lana’s experience with sex work made its way into her comedy writing, as she found a passion for presenting audiences with the radical idea that sex workers are people who deserve respect. She dedicated her punchlines to lifting up sex workers and punching down on narrow-minded people who discriminate against them. She also wrote multiple articles for Betches Media advocating for sex workers’ rights and the decriminalization of sex work. Her written work has also been featured on Reductress, Someecards, Paste Magazine, and Tryst.

    Lana’s stand-up comedy, published articles, and social media content aim to rid people of their whorephobia and inspire them to cherish whores as much as she does. She wants you to laugh but she also wants you to shut up and listen.

    You can find Lana:

    X: @lanadelslayee

    Instagram: @lanadelslayee_

    Recommendations:

    SLUTS: Anthology by Michelle Tea

    Charli xcx

    The Rest:

    Host: Jessie Sage

    Producer: Emily Foster

    Music: Benjamin J Benamati

    Sponsor: Assembly Four

    Powered by Black Venom Digital

    When We're Not Hustling is a 501(c)(3) non-profit project of the Social Good Fund.

    You can support our show with your tax-deductive donation HERE.

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    41 mins
  • S2 E17 AP: I'm Happier, Wealthier, and More Satisfied Single
    Oct 30 2024

    In this episode of "When We're Not Hustling: The After-Party," the hosts explore the themes of singlehood, societal expectations, and the importance of friendships through the lens of Gem DeMilo's story. Gem, who has chosen to remain intentionally single after past relationships, sheds light on the societal pressure to prioritize romantic relationships and how she values friendships instead. The discussion also delves into how societal norms often restrict men from forming intimate friendships and how this contributes to a loneliness epidemic. Moreover, the conversation highlights how being single can be an empowering choice rather than an indication of loneliness, as it allows individuals to focus on self-growth.

    The hosts share personal anecdotes about navigating relationship dynamics and challenge the traditional view of relationships being solely romantic or monogamous. They emphasize that friendships and professional relationships, including those in sex work, can also provide fulfillment when the transactional nature is understood and respected. The episode concludes with an affirmation of the value of diverse relationships and the importance of expressing love and appreciation for friends.

    In This Episode:

    00:34: Hosts Introduce Themselves

    00:51: Gem DeMilo's Choice to Be Intentionally Single

    01:43: Societal Expectations of Relationships

    03:06: Cultural Views on Monogamy and Intimacy

    05:23: Masculine Socialization and Emotional Isolation

    07:21: Financial Independence in Single Life

    09:14: Redefining Relationship Dynamics

    14:42: Singleness as Self-Actualization

    33:33: Closing Thoughts on Relationships

    People:

    Guest: Gem DeMilo

    Hosts: Jessie Sage, Emily Foster, Melissa Milk

    Producer: Emily Foster

    Music: Benjamin J Benamati

    You can support the show at pateron.com/sapiotextual

    When We're Not Hustling is a 501(c)(3) non-profit project of the Social Good Fund.

    You can support our show with your tax-deductive donation HERE.

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    34 mins
  • S2 E17: I'm Happier, Wealthier, and More Satisfied Single with Gem DeMilo
    Oct 28 2024

    Host Jessie Sage sits down with Gem DeMilo for a heartfelt discussion about redefining fulfillment beyond romantic partnerships. Gem opens up about her solo journeys to Mexico City and Iceland, sharing how travel has deepened her life’s meaning and enriched her sense of self. Together, they explore the importance of close friendships, the unique joys of single life, and the ways society’s expectations can often obscure personal happiness. Gem emphasizes that her connections with friends and her beloved pet have brought her profound love and contentment.

    Their conversation also delves into the challenges and misconceptions surrounding polyamory, as well as the critical role financial independence plays for women. Gem shares insights from her path of healing past relationship traumas, finding empowerment in being single, and reclaiming her self-worth beyond societal standards. The episode wraps up with Gem's excitement for her upcoming 40th birthday celebration in New Orleans, and her commitment to financial literacy as a tool of empowerment for herself and others.

    In This Episode:

    00:01: Introduction to When We're Not Hustling Podcast

    02:44: Updates & Upcoming Events

    05:20: Announcement of Collaboration with Tryst

    07:52: Introduction of Guest Gem DeMilo

    09:08: Gem DeMilo Discusses Being Single

    17:20: Gem's Life Changes & Moving to North Carolina

    21:31: Finding Love & Fulfillment Outside of Relationships

    32:25: Discussion on Solo Poly & Single Life

    42:34: Reflections on Self-Worth & Letting Go

    54:44: Conclusion & Excitement for Future Plans

    Guest:

    Gem DeMilo is a North Carolina based escort, originally from Chicago. She got her start in sex work back in 2009 working for a commercial dungeon as she worked on her MFA in creative writing. She quickly transitioned to sugaring, and transitioned to escorting quickly from there. In her spare time, she enjoys reading, writing, traveling, barre and volunteering with animals. She often snuggles with her feline son and soulmate, Jean-Claude.

    You can find Gem:

    Website: professordemilo.com

    X: @meetgemdemilo

    Instagram: @shesageminnc

    Recommendations:

    The Financial Feminist by Tori Dunlap

    Girls Just Wanna Have Funds by Camilla Falkenberg, Emma Due Bitz and Anna-Sophie Hartvigsen

    Conan Obrien Needs A Friend

    Crime Junkie

    Important Note:

    This episode was recorded prior to Hurricane Helene. Gem, who lives in Western North Carolina, would like to highlight several charities providing essential relief to Asheville and nearby communities.

    Beloved Asheville

    Manna Food Bank

    Brother Wolf Asheville

    The Rest:

    Host: Jessie Sage

    Producer: Emily Foster

    Music: Benjamin J Benamati

    Sponsor: Assembly Four

    Powered by Black Venom Digital

    When We're Not Hustling is a 501(c)(3) non-profit project of the Social Good Fund.

    You can support our show with your tax-deductive donation HERE.

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    58 mins
  • S2 E16 AP: It's Not Funny to Get Punched in the Face, but I Do It Anyway
    Oct 16 2024

    In this episode of "When We're Not Hustling: The After-Party," the hosts discuss Kaytlin Bailey, a multifaceted individual who has significantly influenced the podcasting, sex work, and activist communities. Jessie Sage, Emily Foster, and Milk Glass delve into Kaytlin's extensive contributions, including her critical feedback shaping the show's messaging that sex work is legitimate work. They also highlight her historical insights and her juxtaposition of personal experiences, such as her father's military service and her own sex work, to explore broader societal issues. The conversation underscores Kaytlin's impact on the hosts and the themes of their show, emphasizing the importance of recognizing sex work as valid and respectable.

    Additionally, the hosts discuss Kaytlin's dynamic career, which includes being a comedian, sex worker, historian, and boxer. They admire her ability to weave together various aspects of her life into a cohesive narrative that challenges societal norms and addresses issues like misogyny, PTSD, and legislative impacts on sex work. The episode is a tribute to Kaytlin's intelligence, resilience, and the transformative power of her work, encouraging listeners to appreciate the depth and complexity of her endeavors. The hosts' admiration for her as a "main character" in their lives reflects the profound influence she has had on them and their audience.

    In This Episode:

    00:02: Introduction to the After-Party Podcast

    00:23: Host and Co-Hosts Introductions

    00:42: Kaytlin Bailey's Impact on the Podcast

    01:44: Validating Sex Work as Legitimate

    03:38: Comedians' Intelligence and Timing

    04:21: Discussing Rap's Cognitive Demands

    05:22: Kaytlin's Show and Social Commentary

    07:54: Boxing and Kaytlin's World Tour

    10:33: Gender, Kink, and Feminine Rage

    14:00: Transformative Experiences and Emotions

    People:

    Guest: Kaytlin Bailey

    Hosts: Jessie Sage, Emily Foster, Melissa Milk

    Producer: Emily Foster

    Music: Benjamin J Benamati

    You can support the show at pateron.com/sapiotextual

    When We're Not Hustling is a 501(c)(3) non-profit project of the Social Good Fund.

    You can support our show with your tax-deductive donation HERE.

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    34 mins
  • S2 E16: It's Not Funny to Get Punched in the Face, but I Do It Anyway with Kaytlin Bailey
    Oct 14 2024
    Kaytlin Bailey discusses her show "Whore's Eye View," which combines comedy with a historical perspective on sex work, blending stand-up comedy with a real history lecture. She shares how her father's military background and her experiences as a sex worker influenced her writing, exploring themes of exploitation and violence across different professions. Through her show, Kaytlin aims to provide a nuanced understanding of sex work by juxtaposing it with other forms of labor and highlighting the boundaries and consent involved in both. Kaytlin also talks about her passion for boxing, which started as a way to channel her aggression and has become a recreational hobby. She explains how boxing has helped her process emotions, overcome trauma, and stay connected to her body. Jessie and Kaitlyn discuss the parallels between their experiences in sex work and boxing, emphasizing the importance of boundaries, consent, and self-discovery in both fields. Kaytlin also shares insights from her travels and experiences boxing in different countries, noting cultural differences and similarities in boxing gyms worldwide. The episode concludes with Kaitlyn discussing her upcoming projects, including future performances of "Whore's Eye View," and sharing resources for listeners interested in sex worker rights advocacy. In This Episode: 00:01: Introduction to When We're Not Hustling podcast 01:23: Podcast host introduction & mission 02:44: Upcoming live event & nonprofit status 05:07: Kaytlin Bailey's show & background 08:02: Kaytlin introduces herself & her work 10:47: Juxtaposing military & sex work experiences 13:56: Boxing as a hobby & its impact 22:26: Lessons from sparring & personal growth 35:52: Wrap-up and book recommendations Guest: Sex worker rights advocate, comedian, and writer, Kaytlin Bailey is the Founder & Executive Director of Old Pros, a non-profit media organization creating conditions to change the status of sex workers in society. Host of The Oldest Profession Podcast, she is also the creator of Whore’s Eye View, a mad dash through 10,000 years of sex worker history. You can find Kaytlin: Website: kaytlinbailey.com X: @kaytlinbailey Instagram: @kaytlinbailey Recommendations: Candida Royalle and the Sexual Revolution: A History from Below by Jane Kamensky Normal Women: 900 Years of Making History by Philippa Gregory Florence and the Machine The Rest: RSVP to The Holy Hour Book Launch Event in Pittsburgh on Oct 16: HERE. Host: Jessie Sage Producer: Emily Foster Music: Benjamin J Benamati Sponsor: Assembly Four Powered by Black Venom Digital When We're Not Hustling is a 501(c)(3) non-profit project of the Social Good Fund. You can support our show with your tax-deductive donation HERE.
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    1 hr and 5 mins
  • S2 E15 AP: One Man's Play on Words, Life, and Skin
    Oct 9 2024

    In this episode of "When We're Not Hustling: The After-Party," the hosts, Jessie Sage, Emily Foster, and Melissa Milk, engage in a lively discussion about their personal experiences and reflections on the topics of spirituality, sexuality, and consciousness. They start by expressing their love for October and share some amusing anecdotes about Halloween costumes and quirky questions from clients. As the conversation progresses, they delve into deeper subjects, such as the importance of understanding bodily functions and hygiene, especially in the context of working with clients who have high support needs. The hosts also touch on their backgrounds and how their upbringing and personal experiences have influenced their perspectives on these topics.

    The discussion takes a more profound turn when they reflect on a recent interview with Galen Grace, a tantric massage practitioner. They share their initial skepticism about tantric practices due to their misuse in some contexts but are ultimately moved by Galen's genuine and heartfelt approach. They discuss the significance of Galen's story about experiencing a life-threatening aortic dissection during a session, which highlights the deep connection between physical and spiritual healing. The hosts also explore the broader implications of sexual energy and its role in personal growth and well-being. Throughout the episode, they emphasize the interconnectedness of mind, body, and spirit, and the transformative power of shared experiences and open dialogue.

    In This Episode:

    00:10: Welcome and Favorite Months Discussion

    00:26: Halloween Tattoo and Fantasy Talk

    00:43: Halloween Costume Ideas

    05:25: Show Introductions and Partners

    06:30: Jessie and Melissa's Fun Session Story

    09:37: Transition to Galen's Interview

    11:02: Spirituality and Healing Discussion

    20:15: Cultural Differences and Moving to Pittsburgh

    28:15: Psychedelics and Consciousness

    People:

    Guest: Galen Grace

    Hosts: Jessie Sage, Emily Foster, Melissa Milk

    Producer: Emily Foster

    Music: Benjamin J Benamati

    You can support the show at pateron.com/sapiotextual

    When We're Not Hustling is a 501(c)(3) non-profit project of the Social Good Fund.

    You can support our show with your tax-deductive donation HERE.

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    37 mins
  • Bonus: S2 E15: "I Got a New Tattoo" by Galen Grace
    Oct 8 2024

    Galen Grace, our S2 E15 podcast guest, shares this piece he wrote. We liked it so much, we decided to make it a bonus episode!

    Galen Grace was born in Wisconsin, grew up in Massachusetts, and presently resides in Pennsylvania, but he lives wherever he happens to be at that moment, feels at home everywhere in the universe, and steps through almost any door that opens to him. He's worked in academic and professional theatre, published a pair of award-winning novels, and performed sacred, healing touch since 2014.

    The piece he’s going to read for us is a work of creative nonfiction intended for live storytelling. Structured around a tattoo he got this summer, it recounts two trips he took to the desert southwest in recent years – “trips” in multiple senses of the word – as part of a quest to heal his grief from a series of personal losses and get his “spiritual groove” back. The events changed his life in ways he never imagined and brought him face to face with his mortality.

    You can find Galen:

    Website: thegalengrace.com

    X: @TheGalenGrace

    Instagram: @thegalengrace

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    18 mins