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A Homosexual History
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Ben Allen
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By:
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Huw Lemmey
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Ben Miller
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We all remember Oscar Wilde, but who speaks for Bosie? What about those 'bad gays' whose un-exemplary lives reveal more than we might expect? Too many popular histories seek to establish heroes, pioneers and martyrs but, as Huw Lemmey and Ben Miller argue, the past is filled with queer people whose sexualities and dastardly deeds have been overlooked.
Based on the hugely popular podcast series, Bad Gays subverts the notion of gay icons and queer heroes and asks what we can learn about LGBTQ+ history, sexuality and identity through its villains and baddies. From the Emperor Hadrian to anthropologist Margaret Mead and notorious gangster Ronnie Kray, the authors excavate the buried history of queer lives. This includes kings, fascist thugs such as Nazi founder Ernst Rohm, artists, and debauched bon viveurs.
Together these amazing life stories expand and challenge the mainstream assumptions of sexual identity. They show that homosexuality itself was an idea that emerged in the nineteenth century and that its interpretation has been central to major historical moments of conflict from the ruptures of Weimar Republic to red-baiting in Cold War America.
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Problem 1) the first two terms were defined by Marx and assume a whole bunch of Axioms that simply have not been shown to actually be true.
Problem 2) and Marxist liberalism exists only in reference to the first two terms, i.e. nonsensical.
you might as well talk about "Mercury is in retrograde" as "They are Bourgeoisie"
Theories based on outdated social definitions
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