Destined for War
Can America and China Escape Thucydides's Trap?
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Richard Ferrone
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Graham Allison
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War with China is much more likely than anyone thinks.
When Athens went to war with Sparta some 2,500 years ago, the Greek historian Thucydides identified one simple cause: A rising power threatened to displace a ruling one. As the eminent Harvard scholar Graham Allison explains, in the past 500 years, great powers have found themselves in "Thucydides's Trap" 16 times. In 12 of the 16 - from war between the French and the Habsburgs in the 16th century to the two world wars of the 20th - the results have been catastrophic. Today, the same structural forces propel China and the United States toward a cataclysm of unseen proportions, even as both sides insist that such a war could never occur.
In Destined for War, Allison compares the US-China conflict to its closest parallel: World War I. There, a rising Germany threatened the supremacy of the British Empire. He sketches several scenarios in which America and China might slide, against their intent and better judgment, into a similar conflict. But he also examines the rare instances when two clashing powers have avoided disaster. Can our current standoff be one of those exceptions? Allison's answer is essential listening for our age and ages to come.
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The first book to appear in the illustrious Oxford History of the United States, this critically-acclaimed volume - a finalist for the Pulitzer Prize - offers an unsurpassed history of the Revolutionary War and the birth of the American republic.
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Strong History Rich With Behind The Scenes Details
- By John on 10-06-11
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Putin's World
- Russia Against the West and with the Rest
- By: Angela Stent
- Narrated by: Kevin Stillwell
- Length: 15 hrs and 32 mins
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Putin's World examines the country's turbulent past, how it has influenced Putin, the Russians' understanding of their position on the global stage and their future ambitions—and their conviction that the West has tried to deny them a seat at the table of great powers since the USSR collapsed.
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More like The West against the world
- By Felis N on 01-18-20
By: Angela Stent
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Asia's Cauldron
- The South China Sea and the End of a Stable Pacific
- By: Robert D. Kaplan
- Narrated by: Michael Prichard
- Length: 8 hrs and 22 mins
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Over the last decade, the center of world power has been quietly shifting from Europe to Asia. With oil reserves of several billion barrels, an estimated 900 trillion cubic feet of natural gas, and several centuries' worth of competing territorial claims, the South China Sea in particular is a simmering pot of potential conflict. The underreported military buildup in the area where the Western Pacific meets the Indian Ocean means that it will likely be a hinge point for global war and peace for the foreseeable future.
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Pending problems
- By Jean on 08-19-14
By: Robert D. Kaplan
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The Future of War
- A History
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- Narrated by: Michael Page
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The Future of War - which covers civil wars to as yet unknown nuclear conflicts, proxy wars (real) to the Cold War (not), fashionably small wars to the War to End All Wars (it didn't) - is filled with insight and fascinating nuggets of military history and culture from one of the most brilliant military and strategic historians of his generation.
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A good historical review of the progression of war
- By Ian R. Graham on 06-14-18
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The Tragedy of Great Power Politics
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A decade after the cold war ended, policy makers and academics foresaw a new era of peace and prosperity, an era in which democracy and open trade would herald the "end of history." The terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001, sadly shattered these idyllic illusions, and John Mearsheimer's masterful new book explains why these harmonious visions remain utopian.
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Exceptional
- By Logical Paradox on 08-19-14
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The Cold War
- A World History
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In The Cold War, Odd Arne Westad offers a new perspective on a century when a superpower rivalry and an ideological war transformed every corner of our globe. We traditionally think of the Cold War as a post-World War II diplomatic and military conflict between the United States and the Soviet Union. But in this major new work, Westad argues that the conflict must be understood as a global ideological confrontation with roots in the industrial revolution and with continuing implications for the world today.
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A lenghy treatise on the Cold War
- By Donald Hill on 11-21-17
By: Odd Arne Westad
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World Order
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Henry Kissinger offers in World Order a deep meditation on the roots of international harmony and global disorder. Drawing on his experience as one of the foremost statesmen of the modern era Kissinger now reveals his analysis of the ultimate challenge for the 21st century: How to build a shared international order in a world of divergent historical perspectives, violent conflict, proliferating technology, and ideological extremism.
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More retrospective than future oriented
- By Scott on 10-23-14
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A Failed Empire
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- By: Vladimir Zubok
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Western interpretations of the Cold War--both realist and neoconservative--have erred by exaggerating either the Kremlin's pragmatism or its aggressiveness, argues Vladislav Zubok. Explaining the interests, aspirations, illusions, fears, and misperceptions of the Kremlin leaders and Soviet elites, Zubok offers a Soviet perspective on the greatest standoff of the 20th century.
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Focus on the Top Leadership
- By Augustus T. White on 08-13-10
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Interventions
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Interventions, by Noam Chomsky, is getting new press after the Pentagon banned the book from Guantanamo Bay's prison library. Interventions is Noam Chomsky at his best. Not since his all-time best-selling title, 9/11, published in the Open Media series in 2001, have readers and listeners had a timely, short, affordable Chomsky. Unlike 9/11, Interventions is a writerly work - a series of more than 30 tightly argued essays aimed at various aspects of U.S. power and politics in the post-9/11 world. While critical of U.S. military interventions around the globe, each piece in the book is in itself an intellectual intervention.
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Chomsky on Fire
- By Susie on 01-09-13
By: Noam Chomsky
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- MikeS
- 01-04-19
Great place to start-
the basic theory of the ...trap gives the reader a lot of food for thought
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- Matt Lewers
- 05-04-23
Will listen again
Great insights, comparisons, enough backstory to fully understand the strategic narrative and tactical elements.
If you’ve 100 Year Marathon, this is a must listen. Greater scope, less fear mongering, and more world history rich.
Narrator was great IMO
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- Elena Matthews
- 06-01-23
Terrific read, a must
For anyone interested in relations between the US and China, read this book. Educates you and makes you think.
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- Chris
- 10-22-19
Learned a ton
I will never look at the US china, cool war, or WWII dynamics in the same way again. great book
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- MomR&L
- 02-25-22
insightful and visionary
This is the best book so far I have read/listened about Sino-US relationship. It is both insightful and visionary. It show a great balance of intellect and wisdom. A solid five star. I hope more people can read/listen to this book for better future of the nations.
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- Amazon Customer
- 08-26-20
I hope world leaders are reading this too
This is an excellent work! Written with an ideal blend of academic rigor and fast pacing, I had a hard time putting it down. This does a great job illustrating through the lessons of history what happens when great powers collide, and offers some hope of how to think through the competition to find ways to avoid a devastating war.
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- DOLLA' BILL YALL
- 12-21-18
Decent reading
Book seemed well researched and narrator performed well. It does get a bit fanciful when discussing a hypothetical collision between US and Chinese naval vessels. Author jumps to conclusions as to what the actions of each nation would be. I had to skip that part because it was just absurd. Otherwise the history of the 16 rising powers as well as lots of data such as GDP figures etc. are incorporated into the narrative in a meaningful way.
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- Jeff
- 03-23-21
crucial and well presented subject
For anyone interested in international affairs, this is an easy to follow, well researched, and supported work that lays out a broad concept of what challenges face nations as they interact with allies and competitors.
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- TonyL
- 09-20-23
Depressing!
If you want to hear a lecture on how negative everything is and has been go ahead but I warned you.
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- Amazon Customer
- 11-16-21
great
there is hope for humanity without war, or at the least not like the WWs type.
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