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Not So Black and White

An Invitation to Honest Conversations About Race and Faith

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Not So Black and White

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As seen on Good Morning America! Read by the authors.

Reggie Dabbs and John Driver - a Black man and a white man, and longtime friends - engage in a courageous, respectfully honest, challenging exploration of racism in America, including how Black and white Christians can come together to fight the evils of racism within our hearts and our systems, including our churches.

White privilege. Black Lives Matter. George Floyd. When it comes to racism in America, many of us feel confused, overwhelmed, angry - and eager to know how to engage in meaningful conversations and actions surrounding such a difficult topic. In Not So Black and White, public school communicator and internationally acclaimed speaker Reggie Dabbs and pastor John Driver team up to offer a hope-filled, convicting, inspiring look at how to be anti-racist in America today.

Through Reggie and John's honest conversations, you will:

  • Hear the stories of fellow believers who have found ways to reach across the racial barrier with humility, empathy, and forgiveness.
  • Understand a simple yet robust history of racism in America and in the church, including its role in systems, policies, and individual actions.
  • Discover fully biblical yet culturally wise responses to the challenges of racism in yourself and your community.
  • Come away with fresh thought processes and practical steps for what you can do to think rightly and engage bravely in conversations and actions to end racism.

Not So Black and White is a compelling resource for pastors, teachers, and community leaders who want to learn about issues of racism from a biblical and a historical perspective. For listeners of all denominations and backgrounds, Not So Black and White equips us to engage together in the intentional work of dismantling racism, just as the gospel calls us to do.

©2021 Reggie Dabbs, John Driver (P)2021 Zondervan
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Learned so much! Written with so much grace!

Need to listen again! Book is so rich with history and biblical truths. Loved hearing from both writers.

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This book opened my eyes to many areas where I need to improve my thoughts and actions regarding racism. What I thought I knew about the history of slavery in America is so wrong. I needed this book.

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Very balanced view on the race issue

This is a very solid read. I didn’t want to put it down. I love the stories and the heart of forgiveness. As well, they do a great job of providing historical context to the race issue. There is much to chew on in this book!

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Best book on Christianity and racism I’ve ever read

I wish every white Christian would read and/or listen to this book. It stepped all over my toes, yet in the most loving and gentle way. Scripture abounds throughout the book. More importantly the scripture is used in context-not to fit the “narrative.”

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A Great Education on Racial Struggles in the USA

I learned so much and was challenged to think through my beliefs on racial equality, not only in day to day life, but also in my daily Christian life. The Church has neglected to deal with the struggle and needs to both repent and lament its duplicity. As a leader in the Church, I must lead and set an example of how we treat each other, especially those of different ethnic and racial backgrounds. I am glad I listened to the book and highly recommend it to all.

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Surprised!

I heard your interview on the podcast “Dadville”. I found it very interesting. I couldn’t wait to purchase to listen and learn more about this subject. I certainly appreciate you both sharing for your personal stories and those of others. As a Jesus lover and a student of His word, I liked how you brought in scripture. But I must admit I found the over all book very one sided and not as diverse as I was thinking it would be. We do need more honest discussions from everyone. We know the Victory we have is in Christ Jesus alone and can’t continue to live with a victim mindset. Forgiveness has to take place! Forgetting won’t happen, but we can choose to not play the blame game and give all Glory to God for our continued
healing. We all have to choose daily to not be offended and do our own work with Jesus to get healed. I will continue to learn and listen, everyone has a story and their experiences that is still in process until our great Savior returns for His children. Thank you both Reggie and John!!

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