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The Old Testament Case for Nonviolence
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- Length: 7 hrs and 31 mins
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“Do not leave alive anything that breathes.” – God
The violence in the Old Testament is one of the biggest obstacles facing Christianity today.
Believers regularly identify it as one of the most confounding and challenging aspects of the entire Bible.
Unbelievers often cite it as one reason why they don’t believe.
A few prominent atheists even use it to publicly demean God’s character. Richard Dawkins claims the God of the Old Testament is “arguably the most unpleasant character in all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully.”
In The Old Testament Case for Nonviolence, Fleischer cuts through the rhetoric and popular misperceptions to provide a compelling, scripturally based, and highly readable case for a good, just, and loving God, one who is not only not bloodthirsty but who actually hates violence.
If you have ever struggled to understand or appreciate what God was doing in the Old Testament, you will love this book. You might even discover a deity who is more beautiful than you have ever imagined.
“In the first six pages of his new book, Matthew Curtis Fleischer describes the problem of divine violence in the Old Testament as well as anyone ever has. In the following 200-plus pages, he offers Christians committed to biblical authority an intelligent and humane way of interpreting those passages, leading humanity from violence to nonviolence in the way of Jesus. Fleischer is an attorney, and he makes his case with clarity that would win over any unbiased jury.” (Brian D. McLaren, author of The Great Spiritual Migration)
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By: Brian D. McLaren
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Unconditional?
- The Call of Jesus to Radical Forgiveness
- By: Brian Zahnd
- Narrated by: Jon Gauger
- Length: 6 hrs and 42 mins
- Unabridged
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Should we always forgive? Is forgiveness always even possible? Does forgiveness enable evil? Does it sacrifice justice? Are there ANY limits? In a world where the ugliness of rage and retaliation are driving the story line, Unconditional? offers the beauty, reconciliation, and total restoration of forgiveness the way Jesus taught us to live it.
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Hope
- By Lisa on 09-27-16
By: Brian Zahnd
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The Myth of a Christian Religion
- How Believers Must Rebel to Advance the Kingdom of God
- By: Gregory A. Boyd
- Narrated by: Art Carlson
- Length: 6 hrs and 38 mins
- Unabridged
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In this sequel to his best seller, The Myth of a Christian Nation, Dr. Gregory Boyd issues a clear call to manifest God’s beauty and revolt against evil—with Jesus’ life as our example. Passionate theology and practical insight combine to create a guidebook for simple, radical, Christlike living.
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A great sequel
- By Jim H. on 01-05-22
By: Gregory A. Boyd
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Things Hidden
- Scripture as Spirituality
- By: Richard Rohr O.F.M.
- Narrated by: John Quigley O.F.M.
- Length: 10 hrs and 26 mins
- Unabridged
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The Bible is meant to be about transformation, not merely information. In Things Hidden, Richard Rohr invites you to experience Scripture as spirituality - as a living text that can breathe new life into your relationship with God and change your way of seeing the world.
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excellent and inspirational in the insights
- By Nana on 11-03-22
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Hand in Hand
- The Beauty of God's Sovereignty and Meaningful Human Choice
- By: Randy Alcorn
- Narrated by: Randy Alcorn
- Length: 7 hrs and 5 mins
- Unabridged
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If God is sovereign, how can I be free to choose? But if God is not sovereign, how can he be God? Is it possible to reconcile God's sovereignty with human choice? This is one of the most perplexing theological questions. It's also one of the most personal. In Hand in Hand, Randy Alcorn says that the traditional approach to this debate has often diminished our trust in God and his purposes. Instead of making a one-sided argument from select verses, Alcorn examines the question in light of all Scripture.
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Best reconciliation of the subject ever heard
- By Dan on 02-12-18
By: Randy Alcorn
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Jesus on Trial
- A Lawyer Affirms the Truth of the Gospel
- By: David Limbaugh
- Narrated by: Walter Dixon
- Length: 12 hrs and 16 mins
- Unabridged
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In Jesus on Trial, New York Times bestselling author David Limbaugh applies his lifetime of legal experience to a unique new undertaking: making a case for the gospels as hard evidence of the life and work of Jesus Christ. Limbaugh, a practicing attorney and former professor of law, approaches the canonical gospels with the same level of scrutiny he would apply to any legal document and asks all the necessary questions about the story of Jesus....
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What a disappointment
- By JB on 10-07-14
By: David Limbaugh
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A Farewell to Mars
- An Evangelical Pastor's Journey toward the Biblical Gospel of Peace
- By: Brian Zahnd
- Narrated by: Dean Gallagher
- Length: 4 hrs and 58 mins
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How did violence and power seep into our understanding of faith and grace? For those troubled by this trend toward the sword, perhaps there is a better way. What if the message of Jesus differs radically from the drumbeats of war we hear all around us? Using his own journey from war crier to peacemaker and his in-depth study of peace in the Scriptures, author and pastor Brian Zahnd reintroduces us to the gospel of peace.
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Following the Prince of Peace
- By Andrew Coon on 08-06-18
By: Brian Zahnd
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The Truth War
- Fighting for Certainty in an Age of Deception
- By: John MacArthur
- Narrated by: John MacArthur
- Length: 3 hrs and 43 mins
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Right now, Truth is under attack, and much is at stake. Christians are caught in the crossfire of alternative Christian histories, emerging faulty texts, and a cultural push to eliminate absolute Truth altogether. As a result, many churches and Christians have been deceived. Worse still, they propagate the deception that poses itself as Truth!
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Pure Truth Necessary For the Times
- By Tracie on 09-27-08
By: John MacArthur
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Multiply
- Disciples Making Disciples
- By: Francis Chan, Mark Beuving
- Narrated by: Francis Chan
- Length: 8 hrs and 35 mins
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You were made to make disciples. Jesus gave His followers a command: “Follow Me.” And a promise: “I will equip you to find others to follow Me.” We were made to make disciples. Designed for use in discipleship relationships and other focused settings, Multiply will equip you to carry out Jesus’ ministry. Each of the 24 sessions in the audio book corresponds with an online video at www.multiplymovement.com, where New York Times best-selling author David Platt joins Francis Chan in guiding you through each part of Multiply.
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Inspirational
- By Ashley on 07-01-15
By: Francis Chan, and others
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Reading the Bible Again for the First Time
- Taking the Bible Seriously but Not Literally
- By: Marcus J. Borg
- Narrated by: Maurice England
- Length: 10 hrs and 1 min
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Many Christians mistakenly believe that their only choice is either to reconcile themselves to a fundamentalist reading of scripture (a "literal-factual" approach) or to simply reject the Bible as something that could bring meaning and value into their lives. In Reading the Bible Again for the First Time, Marcus Borg shows how instead we can freshly appreciate all the essential elements of the Old and New Testaments - from Genesis to Revelation - in a way that can open up a new world of intelligent faith.
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Great Material…
- By Jeremiah Marvine on 08-31-24
By: Marcus J. Borg
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God and Empire
- Jesus Against Rome, Then and Now
- By: John Dominic Crossan
- Narrated by: Derek Perkins
- Length: 9 hrs and 4 mins
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In contrast to the oppressive Roman military occupation of the first century, Crossan examines the meaning of the non-violent Kingdom of God prophesized by Jesus and the equality advocated by Paul to the early Christian churches. Crossan contrasts these messages of peace with the misinterpreted apocalyptic vision from the Book of Revelation, which has been misrepresented by modern right-wing theologians and televangelists to justify US military actions in the Middle East.
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Smart Book
- By Wesley Bishop on 07-01-22
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- Richard J.
- 04-02-24
Disappointing treatment of biblical data
As someone who was in the military for many years before getting out due to changing conscience convictions, I am strongly committed to non-resistance from a biblical perspective. I had hoped this book would equip me with further helpful analysis, in addition to what I have read elsewhere, dealing with challenging biblical texts. Instead, this book, to my great disappointment, is full of contradicting conclusions and disparaging comments about God and the Bible. I almost never leave Audible reviews and didn't really want to take the time to write a full review of all of my concerns with this book. However, this book out stood out for all the wrong reasons. For example, even though he says in one place that Jesus is God and there aren't multiple gods in the Bible, elsewhere he says that now we are supposed to follow the ethical teachings of Jesus, "not the God of the Old Testament". He specifically pits Jesus, who is God, against God, as if God's character can be self-contradictory. Though I'm sure the author would deny it, this is the thrust of the heresy Marcionism.
He also went to great lengths to explain that the biblical authors were actually blinded by their own sin and selfishness and often they misinterpreted what God was doing, remaking Him in their own image, such as attributing killing to Him when actually they were just misperceiving what was going on. Of course, if you were to examine specific biblical texts one by one, you would see this is a ludicrous claim because of all the direct quotes from God referring to Himself as a warrior, as punishing His enemies, etc. (Scripture clearly states it is God's prerogative to punish sin.) And yet at other places he says that maybe God actually was the author of some biblical violence and that's okay, too, because in those cases His "violence was anti-violence". This is but one example of his many contradictory and even nonsensical statements because it seemed as though the author couldn't decide whether God was never the author of violence or whether sometimes God used violence but He was actually secretly "non-violent" all along and people just couldn't see that until Jesus came.
Personally, I have become convinced that God is the one who can give and take life and He chose to use the Israelites to purge the Promised Land in that very specific time and place—that was His prerogative—but this does not necessarily authorize participation in war for modern Christians. However, this author's view is that God sometimes permitted or even commanded "immorality". That God would command something immoral is one of the many heterodox views expressed in this book. He is quick to point out that people shouldn't get sidetracked with "outlier" examples (in other words, examples in Scripture that blatantly contradict his thesis) and he repeatedly comes back to his own Gnostic view that he's able to read a deeper meaning into the Old Testament texts which are actually teaching something very different from what they seem to be saying.
While I agree that we read the Old Testament very differently through the lens of the New Testament and Christ's life and work than we might otherwise read it, he takes this to an extreme in putting forth his special, superior knowledge. His pick-and-choose, cafeteria-style, just-my-Bible-and-me interpretation of Scripture done in a complete vacuum outside of historical theological interpretation is disappointing and unhelpful, to say the least. I'm stunned how many people on Amazon gave this book rave reviews, but I can only assume they haven't read very widely on the topic. There are much better works out there which respect the integrity of the Bible for people who believe it is truly God's Word.
Although I don't agree with every conclusions in the other books (nor would I expect to), Preston Sprinkle's "Fight" (referenced numerous times in this book), for example, would be the best place to start for someone wanting a review of biblical violence from a thoroughly orthodox and evangelical but non-violent perspective. I would also recommend some of the conservative Anabaptist who are writing from a "non-resistant" view (which they distinguish, for good reason, in my view) from "pacifism". Also see Copan and Wells on explaining difficult material such as the conquest passages.
In summary, there are far better options on this subject that treat God's character and His self-revelation in Scripture much more carefully and reverently. Read those.
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