On this episode, Caroline, Kevin, and returning from season two, as guest cohost, Ash Zvonham, Voice Coach at Wild Ferns Wellness Center, meet Stephen Davidson, a trans voice coach and founder of the London Trans Choir. Stephen, a transmasculine individual, shares his background in music, acting, and improv, as well as his journey toward advocating for trans voices. He discusses the creation of the London Trans Choir and the challenges and rewards of helping trans people find confidence and authenticity in their voices, especially through vocal training and community-building.

Stephen dives into the science behind vocal transitions, discussing misconceptions about testosterone’s effects on the voice, as well as emotional and psychological factors that influence vocal changes. He emphasizes the importance of self-acceptance and patience in the voice transition process, sharing insights from his book, The Transmasculine Voice: A Guide to Vocal Euphoria, which offers guidance for transmasculine and non-binary individuals navigating their voice journey. Stephen also reflects on the role of community and how his choir has become a safe space for trans voices to grow and flourish.

The episode concludes with a discussion on the importance of voice training for trans individuals, particularly those undergoing vocal changes. Stephen talks about his experiences conducting workshops and coaching, noting the challenges of maintaining a choir during the pandemic and the significance of creating accessible resources for trans voices. As a final call to action, listeners are encouraged to submit their own videos to Trans Story Time, a project dedicated to showcasing the beautiful diversity of trans voices.

“Stephen Davidson is a trans man and a voice coach specializing in working with trans, non-binary, and gender non-conforming individuals. He founded the London Trans Choir in 2017, aiming to create a supportive and inclusive environment for diverse voices. Stephen holds a Bachelor of Music from the University of British Columbia and a Master of Music from McGill University. Since relocating to the UK in 2010, he has combined his passions for music and acting to assist others in their vocal journeys. In 2024, he published “The Transmasculine Voice: A Guide to Vocal Euphoria,” further establishing his expertise in transmasculine voice training.”

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“Make it real to me” written by Athena Promachus, covered by Boy Bowser

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On this episode, Caroline and returning as guest co-host Wendy Cole meet Kristen Browde, an accomplished attorney, journalist, and LGBTQIA+ activist. Kristen shares her journey from a career in broadcasting at CNN and CBS News to becoming a leader in the fight for transgender rights. She reflects on her upbringing, her path to self-discovery, and the pivotal moment when she publicly came out, highlighting both the challenges and the support she received.

The conversation shifts to Kristen’s political work as the President of the Florida Democratic Party LGBTQ+ Caucus and Vice President of the National Federation of Stonewall Democrats. She discusses the critical role of visibility in advocacy, the importance of local elections, and the ongoing battle against anti-LGBTQIA+ legislation. Kristen shares her experience influencing policymakers and emphasizes why standing firm on equality is essential for progress.

As the episode airs on Trans Day of Visibility, the discussion turns to the significance of being seen and the necessity of staying proactive in the face of rising anti-trans sentiment. Kristen offers strategies for both trans individuals and allies to foster change, challenge misinformation, and ensure that the fight for equality remains at the forefront of political discourse. To close, we hear a personal voice message from International Trans Day of Visibility founder Rachel Crandall-Crocker, reinforcing the power of visibility and community in the fight for trans rights.

“Kristen Browde is an accomplished attorney, journalist, and trans activist with a passion for advancing LGBTQIA+ rights. She is the current president of the Florida Democratic Party LGBTQ+ Caucus and vice president of the National Federation of Stonewall Democrats, where she works tirelessly to promote equality and ensure the voices of LGBTQIA+ individuals are heard in political discourse.

Kristen has spent her career in media, having worked for major outlets such as CNN and CBS News, where her extensive reporting on societal issues shaped her perspective and advocacy.

Beyond her journalistic work, Kristen has been deeply involved in activism, particularly in advocating for trans rights and visibility. She has used her platform to raise awareness about the unique challenges facing the trans community, and her leadership in the LGBTQ+ caucus has focused on pushing for policy changes that protect and support trans people.

As a strong voice in the fight for trans rights, Kristen brings an informed and compassionate approach to her work. She continues to push for systemic change, ensuring that the rights of marginalized communities remain at the forefront of legislative discussions. Through her advocacy, she aims to create a safer, more inclusive world where trans individuals can live authentically without fear.”

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On this episode, Athena, Caroline, and guest co-host Laurie Lee Hall sit down with Wendy Cole, a transition mentor who transitioned at 67. Wendy shares her journey of self-discovery, highlighting the mental and emotional aspects of transition. She reflects on repressing her gender identity, the impact of the DSM-5 reclassification, and the crucial role of therapy. The panel discusses closeting, containment, and generational differences in navigating identity.

Wendy explores the complexities of transitioning later in life, emphasizing mental transition over physical changes. She shares how shifting thought patterns and overcoming self-doubt were key to self-acceptance. The conversation touches on authenticity, safety, and resilience, including strategies for navigating public spaces and the value of LGBTQ-friendly communities.

The episode wraps up with reflections on visibility and storytelling in driving acceptance. Wendy shares her passion for mentoring, while Caroline and Laurie highlight the importance of fostering community and amplifying transgender voices.

Wendy Cole is a transition mentor who helps individuals navigate major life changes with a focus on self-acceptance. She works with transgender individuals, parents of transgender children, and women entrepreneurs facing self-doubt. Drawing from her own journey, she guides others through fear and transition.

Wendy knew she was a girl from a young age but spent decades conforming to societal expectations. At 67, she found medical validation for her experience, giving her the courage to transition. Within six months, she was living authentically, proving it’s never too late to be yourself.

Since 2017, Wendy has mentored others, helping them overcome doubt and anxiety. She is passionate about humanizing the transgender experience, educating allies, and fostering inclusivity. Through her work, she empowers people to embrace change with confidence and authenticity.

Meet Wendy Cole (CTA): https://MeetWendyCole.com

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Demystifying The Transgender Journey podcast & Community Links:

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On this episode, Athena and Caroline are joined by Carl Charles as they discuss his work as a senior attorney at Lambda Legal and his journey as a trans advocate. Carl shares how his experiences as a teacher led him to pursue law, ultimately shaping his career in trans rights advocacy. He reflects on the challenges and triumphs he has encountered while fighting for LGBTQ+ civil rights, highlighting the importance of resilience and joy even in the face of adversity. The conversation also explores the ongoing legal battles affecting the transgender community, touching on identity documentation policies, anti-trans legislation, and the broader implications of restrictive laws.

Carl provides critical insights into the current landscape of trans rights, explaining how recent legal developments impact the community. He discusses the State Department’s gender marker policies, the rise of discriminatory bills in states like Texas, and the ongoing efforts to challenge these injustices through legal action. The discussion underscores the importance of staying informed and proactive, whether through updating legal documents or engaging in advocacy. Carl also shares practical advice for trans individuals navigating these challenges, encouraging them to seek legal support and community resources to protect their rights.

The episode concludes with a powerful conversation on resilience, representation, and advocacy. Carl emphasizes the strength of the transgender community and the necessity of collective action in pushing back against discrimination. He encourages listeners to stay engaged, support organizations like Lambda Legal, and use their voices to promote understanding and allyship. Athena and Caroline reflect on the importance of visibility and connection, reinforcing the message that despite the obstacles ahead, the fight for trans rights remains strong and unwavering.

“Carl Charles is a senior attorney at Lambda Legal, where he fights for the civil rights of LGBTQ+ people and those living with HIV. A dedicated advocate, Carl has worked on key legal cases that challenge discriminatory policies and protect the rights of transgender individuals. Before joining Lambda Legal, he worked at the ACLU and the New York City Commission on Human Rights. Carl’s legal expertise spans identity documentation, healthcare access, and employment protections for trans people. As a trans attorney himself, he brings both professional and personal insight to his work, striving to ensure legal equity and justice for the LGBTQ+ community.”

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On this episode, Athena, Caroline, and Ellie have the pleasure of meeting Laurie Lee Hall, a transgender woman and former high-ranking member of the Mormon Church.

Laurie shares her remarkable journey of self-discovery, transition, and advocacy, highlighting the importance of community, support, and acceptance. Her story is one of resilience and courage, offering valuable insights into the experiences of transgender individuals within religious communities.

The group explores themes of identity, faith, and social justice, and delves into her memoir, "Dictates of Conscience." This powerful conversation sheds light on the importance of empathy, understanding, and acceptance.

“Laurie Lee Hall, a remarkable individual whose life journey has taken her from being a respected leader in the Mormon Church to becoming a powerful advocate for LGBTQ+ rights.

Laurie is a trans woman who has spent over two decades working as an architect, designing prominent buildings, including temples, for the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. She has also served as a bishop and stake president within the church, working closely with senior church leaders.

However, Laurie's life took a dramatic turn when she came out as transgender and began her transition. She was subsequently excommunicated from the church, an experience that was both painful and liberating.

Today, Laurie is a sought-after speaker, advocate, and author. Her memoir, 'Dictates of Conscience: From Mormon High Priest to My New Life as a Woman,' has just been published, offering a powerful and deeply personal exploration of her life, faith, and identity.”

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“Make it real to me” written by Athena Promachus, covered by Boy Bowser

“Old Religion” By Flamy Grant

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On this episode, Caroline, Della, and Honey are joined by Tia Mirage Hall as they discuss the challenges and fears surrounding the new political climate in 2025, with a focus on the increasing number of bills targeting the trans community and the potential for AI to systematically remove changes made to names legally.

The conversation delves into the rise of the alt-right and religious nationalism, the importance of providing accurate and factual information to counter misinformation and disinformation, and the need for grounding and support in the face of fear and uncertainty.

The group also shares their personal experiences and insights, highlighting the importance of community support and solidarity, while encouraging listeners to engage in meaningful discussions, build alliances, and advocate for the rights and well-being of trans individuals.

“Tia Mirage Hall is a renowned entertainer with a distinguished career spanning 24 years. As a prominent advocate for the transgender community, Tia utilizes her platform to raise awareness and promote equality for marginalized individuals.

A celebrated performer, Tia has held numerous prestigious titles, including Miss Gay Indiana, Queen of the Closet, and Circle City Regional. Her passion for entertainment serves as a cathartic outlet, allowing her to express and process her emotions through her performances.

As a black transgender woman, Tia embodies resilience, intelligence, and beauty. Her remarkable life and career serve as a testament to her strength and dedication to creating positive change within her community.”

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On this episode, Athena and Caroline are joined by Quinn Dinsmore as they discuss Quinn's background in education and public health before transitioning into voice work, drawing from their family's radio background and personal journey with voice training.

Quinn discussed their unique approach to vocal coaching, emphasizing inclusivity, nervous system work, and the importance of personal practice while also sharing their plans for making voice lessons more accessible through scholarships and sliding scale pricing.

The conversation covers topics such as vocal dysphoria, nervous system work, and the importance of empathy and personal practice in voice development, with Quinn offering insights and advice for those seeking to explore their own voice and identity.

“Quinn is a nonbinary vocal coach with a testosterone influenced vocal tract who specializes in gender affirming voice practices. After receiving their bachelors of science in Public Health at Indiana University, they began their professional career teaching natural, social and environmental sciences through Zoos, Museums and State Parks.

They were introduced to the world affirming voice practices through their own gender journey. Falling head over heels with the work, they advanced from student to teacher, eventually opening and establishing their own business QVL in 2022.

Their lessons are client centered with a gender-expansive approach, teaching the skills necessary to feel affirmed in your voice and identity. While also providing the foundational skills necessary to ensure that your voice stays healthy as you modify the way you use it. Their goal is to empower individuals to express their authentic selves and provide crucial support in navigating the deeply personal journey of affirming voice work.”

https://www.qvoicelessons.com

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On this episode, Caroline and Kevin are joined by returning guest Flamy Grant as they delve into the intersections of faith, identity, and creativity. Flamy shares their journey from Christian music artist to full-time musician and drag artist, discussing the challenges and triumphs along the way.

Flamy opens up about their personal story, including the inspiration behind their new album "Church" and their song tribute to Leslie Jordan. They also share their experiences with the church and the impact of finding supportive community.

Flamy reflects on the importance of authenticity, self-acceptance, and resilience in the face of adversity. They discuss their commitment to representing and showing up for marginalized communities through their music and performances.

“Award-winning and Billboard-charting artist Flamy Grant is a shame-slaying, hip-swaying, singing-songwriting drag queen from Asheville, North Carolina. Her 2022 debut record, Bible Belt Baby, reached the #1 spot on the iTunes Christian Chart (the first drag performer to achieve this feat), was nominated for Best Pop Album at the San Diego Music Awards, and was named one of the Top Ten Queer Country Albums of 2023 by Rainbow Rodeo Magazine. Her single “Good Day” debuted at #20 on the Billboard Christian digital sales chart. Her 2024 sophomore album “CHURCH” reached #8 on the iTunes Country Chart.

Flamy is a winner of the 2023 Kerrville Folk Festival New Folk Competition, a 2023 QueerX Award nominee for Best Drag Artist, and a 2024 Queerty Award nominee for Drag Royalty. She is also a finalist for the 2025 International Folk Music Awards Artist of the Year and has been featured in Rolling Stone, Billboard,Entertainment Weekly, People, and more. Her music has over 1.2 million streams on Spotify, Apple, and Amazon music. A powerhouse vocalist and intrepid songwriter who blends folk, gospel, and roots, Flamy drags audiences into a therapeutic, theatrical mix of storytelling and song.

Armed with a bold lip and a blistering voice, Flamy is brilliant, resilient proof that nothing is sacred (but everything is holy) and shame belongs in the closet.”

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