Dr. Rob continues his conversation with Dr. Geoff Goodman about the power of the 12 Step program, which worked for Geoff when nothing else did. Finding an effective therapist who can support you and your partner requires so much more than just delving into the past - it requires making demands and setting goals that you can realistically achieve as you move forward. One huge component of recovery for both you and your partner is finding the right support groups. If the first one isn’t a good fit, don’t give up, keep trying until you are surrounded by people who can lift you up, whether you are the recovering addict or the spouse!

TAKEAWAYS:

[1:30] The power of the 12 Step program, for Geoff, is that it works.

[3:18] Understanding the why behind your addiction won’t automatically shift your behavior.

[8:50] Effective therapists will help addicts beyond simply understanding their past.

[11:28] If you’re acting out sexually in ways that are ruining your life, your therapist can help!

[13:35] Addiction recovery does not equate to relationship therapy.

[16:02] How might spouses consider self-examination without feeling blamed for their spouse’s addiction?

[19:45] Finding needed support when finances and resources don’t allow it.

[24:26] “I don’t belong there”- how to find the right support group for you.

RESOURCES:

Sex and Relationship Healing

@RobWeissMSW

Sex Addiction 101

Seeking Integrity

Dr. Geoff Goodman

Free Sexual Addiction Screening Assessment

Partner Sexuality Survey

12 Step Recovery

QUOTES:

• “I didn’t want to make a complete lifestyle change. I wanted to get better, but avoid that.”
• “Addiction is so irresistible that knowing the causes is a nice intellectual pursuit but it doesn’t really help you on the ground.”
• “The 12 Step Program isn’t going to turn your husband into Prince Charming.”
• “You are healing and changing itself does not make you a loving, kind, empathing, engaged partner. It just means you stopped lying and stopped hating yourself.”

Dr. Rob welcomes back podcast guest Dr. Geoff Goodman for a conversation about the impact that addiction has on relationships. He offers insights into the struggle of not only the addict, but of their partner as well, and shares his experience with falling in love with a woman who did not know that he was an addict. Some partners are more supportive and involved while others appear to be disinterested or even disgusted and fed up. No matter what scenario you’re in, there is hope for finding a life beyond addiction, together.

TAKEAWAYS:

[2:24] What people don’t understand about addicts, from the partner perspective.

[3:56] Dr. Geoff revealed his own sex addiction to his partner long before they were married.

[6:30] From a spouse’s point of view, learning about addiction can feel like a bait and switch.

[7:50] ‘Don’t ask, don’t tell’ only works for so long in a committed relationship. Even the ‘right one’ can’t resolve a loved one’s addiction.

[10:15] Willing yourself out of addictive behavior has a very short success rate.

[11:22] When enough is enough, there is hope for addicts.

[12:46] Addiction prevents partners from being fully committed to each other, both in and out of the bedroom.

[16:40] Reading literature about porn addiction can help a partner understand what you are going through.

[18:46] Your partner knows better than anyone what you are going through in recovery.

[19:39] Geoff’s career of treating sex addicts didn’t start until he was in recovery.

[22:40] Geoff explains why he doesn’t self-disclose to his patients.

[24:50] The impact of addiction and recovery on parenting.

RESOURCES:

Sex and Relationship Healing

@RobWeissMSW

Sex Addiction 101

Seeking Integrity

Dr. Geoff Goodman

Free Sexual Addiction Screening Assessment

Partner Sexuality Survey

QUOTES:

• “From a spouses’ point of view, addiction must feel like a bait and switch.”
• “Reading literature about porn addiction helped broaden the picture to help her understand that this isn’t unique to me. This is a problem that many men experience.”
• “I can’t even imagine being a father and acting out, even though I know it happens all of the time.”

Dr. Rob continues his discussion with Josh Nichols on some of the common tactics addicts and abusers use to gaslight their victims. In this episode, Josh focuses on the person who is receiving the gaslight treatment. Whatever you might be going through, there is no shame in staying with your addict. Sometimes the best thing for your family is to work through the issues, and sometimes the best thing for your family is for you to leave. Each case is individual to the person, but the most important thing you should know is that you’re not crazy and that your initial gut reaction is almost always correct!

TAKEAWAYS:

[1:35] Why do abusers work so hard to make someone think they’re crazy?

[3:35] You’re not a bad person if you were on the receiving end of this treatment.

[6:00] Abusers love to discredit your gut feelings and intuition, but your intuition is still accurate, deep down.

[8:25] A healthy person wants to have a conversation about an issue or a feeling they’re having, the gaslighter does not. They want you to be distracted by something else.

[11:45] It’s okay to question someone else’s version of reality.

[13:15] You’re not a weak person for staying with an abuser.

[15:25] What made Josh so interested in this subject?

[19:40] You’re not alone in your pain. There are many people who have had to deal with a gaslighter.

[20:00] You are not this bad person that your abuser has made you out to be!

RESOURCES:

Sex and Relationship Healing

@RobWeissMSW

Sex Addiction 101

Seeking Integrity

Cruise Control: Understanding Sex Addiction in Gay Men

Prodependence: Moving Beyond Codependency

Out of the Doghouse by Robert Weiss

Familysolutionsok.com

QUOTES:

• “Abusers do it in such a way where they make you feel silly, stupid, or crazy. They teach you to not trust your gut, but your gut is still accurate.”
• “A healthy person wants to have more conversation about it, a gaslighter does not. The whole goal is to get you off my trail.”
• “Sometimes courage is leaving, and sometimes courage is staying.”

Dr. Rob talks with Josh Nichols about common gaslighting tactics addicts and manipulative people tend to use. We like to think the world might be full of these calculating abusers, but often times these tactics are used as a knee-jerk reaction and come from a place of survival. Today, Josh offers some tips on how to spot a gaslighter and what you might be feeling from some of their gaslighting actions.

TAKEAWAYS:

[2:10] A little bit about Josh and why he wanted to talk about gaslighting.

[2:55] What’s the difference between gaslighting and lair?

[5:40] Victims feel like they’re going crazy and feel such relief when a therapist finally validates their thoughts.

[8:30] Why do people gaslight other people?

[10:45] A common tactic these people use is to confirm your belief in that person and then they will use this as leverage to deny your own reality.

[14:00] These people tend not to be psychopaths or sociopaths. They’re just trying to maintain control.

[17:25] A person will often try to use different tactics to cover up their gaslighting. What does this look like?

[18:00] There are three archetypes you have to look out for: The blame shifter, the victim, and the self-shamer.

[24:25] Unfortunately, gaslighters love to exploit your trust and sense of safety you have with that person.

RESOURCES:

Sex and Relationship Healing

@RobWeissMSW

Sex Addiction 101

Seeking Integrity

Cruise Control: Understanding Sex Addiction in Gay Men

Prodependence: Moving Beyond Codependency

Out of the Doghouse by Robert Weiss

Familysolutionsok.com

QUOTES:

• “These people are exploiting some kind of vulnerability and they can exploit the trust and love in the relationship.”
• “Addicts have maladaptive coping mechanisms and are really good survivors, and gaslighting becomes one of the tools.”
• “Gaslighters have three different types: The blame shifter, the victim, and the self-shamer.”

Heather Cronemiller and Lacy Bentley join Dr. Rob to talk about female sex addiction and the damage it can cause families. Both Lacy and Heather share their personal experience with being the ‘other woman’ and how, despite it going against everything they believed in, they still continued down a path of destruction. When it comes to any form of addiction, what we're really fighting against is deeply broken attachment wounds. Find out more on today’s episode.

TAKEAWAYS:

[2:40] A little bit about Lacy and how she got introduced with Dr. Rob.

[3:20] A little bit about Heather and how she met Dr. Rob.

[5:30] Despite being married, Heather felt like she wasn’t with her soul mate. Everything she thought love was, was wrong.

[6:15] What does mature love feel like?

[8:55] Heather realized through her own recovery, her husband is a wonderful man and replacing him with the ‘flavor of the month’ won’t fix the problem.

[13:35] What is polygamy and does it actually exist? Is it just a mask for sex addiction?

[21:00] Why is sex ‘never enough’ when working with sex addicts?

[23:35] What does it look like to work with someone like Lacy as a female sex addict?

[25:00] Heather shares her personal experience working with Lacy and how it helped her move forward and on a healthier path of recovery.

[26:15] Heather talks about her recovery journey and what that looks like for her.

[30:15] Lucy and Heather talk about their upcoming book, Going Deeper for Women!

[38:15] How does addiction bleed into other aspects of our lives?

[41:10] Heather shares why their book is going to help any woman going through addiction.

[47:10] There are nasty names we call women that we don’t call men, despite them both doing the same actions.

[50:50] Dr. Rob has met very few men who understand the experience of a woman and what she has to deal with when she goes out into the world.

RESOURCES:

Sex and Relationship Healing

@RobWeissMSW

Sex Addiction 101

Seeking Integrity

Cruise Control: Understanding Sex Addiction in Gay Men

Prodependence: Moving Beyond Codependency

Out of the Doghouse by Robert Weiss

Herrecoveryroadmap.com

Oakhaven-counseling.com

Going Deeper for Women

QUOTES:

• “Mature love is a choice and that can be complicated to say because it doesn’t feel like a choice.”

• “How many partners do you need for it to be ‘enough’? In sex addiction, it’s never enough.”

• “We are dealing with attachment wounds. We are dealing with childhood trauma. We’re not dealing with a woman who has a fully functional relational brain..”

Annie and Melissa are two women who have experienced deep marital betrayal in their relationship. The signs weren’t always clear as to what was actually going on, but when the wool had been pulled over their eyes, the amount of emotions, judgment, and pain they experienced took a long time to recover from. This episode is part two of these two women sharing their very personal story of how they found out about their husbands’ addictions and how they got through it.

TAKEAWAYS:

[3:15] Hindsight is 20/20. These are real and raw emotions and unfortunately, it’s difficult to hide or protect your children from what’s happening within your household.

[4:20] Melissa shares the reactions her friends and family had after they realized what was going on in her marriage.

[4:45] Annie found out that she had friends who loved her, but this topic was very difficult for them to handle.

[6:45] Did Annie’s husband’s porn use affect their intimate life?

[12:55] When Melissa joined a support group, it was the first time she felt validated and like she wasn’t going through this journey alone.

[23:45] Guess what, an addict can lie to their therapist! And some therapists eat it all up.

[30:50] Melissa knew for many years something was wrong but she just didn’t know what. Those years were painful; to constantly doubt herself.

[33:40] The work betrayed spouses have to go through to heal is very different from what an addict has to go through to make amends.

[39:15] How did Melissa and Annie meet? They’re so grateful for each other and their support!

RESOURCES:

Sex and Relationship Healing

@RobWeissMSW

Sex Addiction 101

Seeking Integrity

Cruise Control: Understanding Sex Addiction in Gay Men

Prodependence: Moving Beyond Codependency

Out of the Doghouse by Robert Weiss

Jasonvr.com

Jason on LinkedIn

Get Past Your Past

QUOTES:

• “You trust your spouse and it’s something that you never expected to happen. I never expected to find what I found.”

• “I knew my friends were trustworthy, but I couldn’t go to my friends and be like, ‘guess what I discovered now’. At least, I couldn’t.”

• “I will never be grateful this happened to me, but I am grateful that because it happened to me, I have made life-long friends.”

Annie and Melissa are two women who have experienced deep marital betrayal in their relationship. The signs weren’t always clear as to what was going on, but when the wool had been pulled over their eyes, the amount of emotions, judgment, and pain they experienced took a long time to recover from. These two women share their stories and also share why they decided to stay with their husbands and support them in their addiction.

TAKEAWAYS:

[2:15] Today we hear from two women who have gone through painful marital betrayal.

[2:45] Why did these two women agree to come on and share their painful story today?

[3:50] When Melissa first found out about the betrayal, she didn’t see light at the end of the tunnel. Today, she does.

[6:25] Melissa really felt like everything in her relationship was good…until it wasn’t.

[13:00] What made Melissa throw her husband out of the house?

[14:50] What is betrayal trauma and why do so many partners experience it after finding out about their spouses affairs?

[20:00] Why did Annie stay in her relationship?

[20:55] When discovery happened, Annie had been married nearly 29 years.

[27:25] Dr. Rob defines what ‘porn’ means these days. It’s not just looking at a naked image anymore!

[28:50] Guys look at porn, what’s the big deal?

[31:15] Melissa’s husband would minimize her concerns when he was ‘out late’. She knew something was wrong, but couldn’t quite put her finger on why or what.

[32:45] Melissa’s husband is now upset at himself that he missed so much of his children’s lives because of his addiction.

[36:40] Annie shares that when people found out about her husband’s addiction, all the attention went to him. That’s when she felt so alone.

[38:30] Annie felt a second betrayal from her husband’s CSAT. She was dismissed in her feelings and she had no support!

[40:40] Melissa knew in her gut that something was wrong, so she snooped through his phone. When she found out all the lies and betrayal, she screamed so loud at him that it woke her children up.

[41:15] Melissa found out that their couple’s therapist knew about some of his betrayals and kept this information from her. Dr. Rob said this behavior was a violation of trust for a couple’s therapist. If you’re a therapist, don’t do this!

RESOURCES:

Sex and Relationship Healing

@RobWeissMSW

Sex Addiction 101

Seeking Integrity

Cruise Control: Understanding Sex Addiction in Gay Men

Prodependence: Moving Beyond Codependency

Out of the Doghouse by Robert Weiss

Jasonvr.com

Jason on LinkedIn

Get Past Your Past

QUOTES:

• “Anything that’s kept secret from the relationship is a betrayal. It doesn’t matter if it’s with a person or not. It’s all kept secrets and it’s all painful.”

• “Decades ago, when women left their husbands, they were scorned. Now, when we stay, they don’t understand.”

• “Just because he screws up doesn’t mean I’m going to throw my lift under a bus.”

Jason VanRuler is a therapist, coach, speaker, and author dedicated to impacting those who make an impact. His first book, Get Past Your Past, is all about establishing a mindset of emotional health and resilience to find lasting wholeness. In this episode, Jason shares his personal self-development journey, why going to therapy is so difficult for so many people, and why our natural inclination is to hurt others; intentionally or not.

TAKEAWAYS:

[4:15] A little bit about Jason and how he became a therapist.

[10:10] Due to Jason’s rough upbringing, he knew he had to work on himself first before helping others.

[14:40] Jason explains the reason why he likes to host outdoor retreats and how it helps with the healing process.

[21:30] Best way to change your past and maladaptive behaviors is by surrounding yourself with different people.

[22:05] It’s important to be honest with yourself and really benchmark where you’re currently are.

[25:15] The more successful we get, the less likely we become surrounded by people who tell us the truth.

[30:15] Therapists are truth tellers and this is why going to therapy is so hard.

[37:45] There was a time in Jason’s life where going to therapy seemed impossible.

[38:45] What can we do today that empowers a better story?

[40:45] Have a question for Jason? Reach out!

RESOURCES:

Sex and Relationship Healing

@RobWeissMSW

Sex Addiction 101

Seeking Integrity

Cruise Control: Understanding Sex Addiction in Gay Men

Prodependence: Moving Beyond Codependency

Out of the Doghouse by Robert Weiss

Jasonvr.com

Jason on LinkedIn

Get Past Your Past

QUOTES:

• “We aspire to have something that only a different community will give us. If don’t have a different community, our current one just keeps us in the same spot.”

• “Be honest with where you’re at. So many times we fantasize how we want it to look.”

• “I think people always hurt people. Always. I don’t think people have gotten out of life without hurting other people, sometimes it’s intentional and sometimes it’s not. ”