Still Time to Care
What We Can Learn from the Church’s Failed Attempt to Cure Homosexuality
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Greg Johnson
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At the start of the gay rights movement in 1969, evangelicalism's leading voices cast a vision for gay people who turn to Jesus. It was C.S. Lewis, Billy Graham, Francis Schaeffer, and John Stott who were among the most respected leaders within theologically orthodox Protestantism. We see with them a positive pastoral approach toward gay people, an approach that viewed homosexuality as a fallen condition experienced by some Christians who needed care more than cure.
With the birth and rise of the ex-gay movement, the focus shifted from care to cure. As a result, there are an estimated 700,000 people alive today who underwent conversion therapy in the United States alone. Many of these patients were treated by faith-based, testimony-driven parachurch ministries centered on the ex-gay script. Despite the best of intentions, the movement ended with very troubling results. Yet the ex-gay movement died not because it had the wrong sex ethic. It died because it was founded on a practice that diminished the beauty of the gospel.
Yet even after the closure of the ex-gay umbrella organization Exodus International in 2013, the ex-gay script continues to walk about as the undead among us, pressuring people like me to say, "I used to be gay, but I'm not gay anymore. Now I'm just same-sex attracted."
For orthodox Christians, the way forward is a path back to where we were 40 years ago. It is time again to focus with our Neo-Evangelical fathers on care - not cure - for our non-straight sisters and brothers who are living lives of costly obedience to Jesus.
With warmth and humor as well as original research, Still Time to Care will chart the path forward for our churches and ministries in providing care. It will provide guidance for the gay person who hears the gospel and finds themselves smitten by the life-giving call of Jesus. Woven throughout the book will be Richard Lovelace’s 1978 call for a "double repentance" in which gay Christians repent of their homosexual sins and the church repents of its homophobia - putting on display for all the power of the gospel.
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Dr. Christopher Yuan explores the concept of holy sexuality - chastity in singleness or faithfulness in marriage - in a practical and relevant manner, equipping listeners with an accessible yet robust theology of sexuality. Whether you want to share Christ with a loved one who identifies as gay or you're wrestling with questions of identity yourself, this book will help you better understand sexuality in light of God's grand story and realize that holy sexuality is actually good news for all.
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Hands down the best book on this topic
- By Kindle Customer on 07-11-22
By: Christopher Yuan
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No Perfect People Allowed
- By: John Burke
- Narrated by: Tom Casaletto
- Length: 12 hrs and 36 mins
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How do we live out the message of Jesus in today’s ever-changing culture? The church is facing its greatest challenge - and its greatest opportunity - in our postmodern, post-Christian world. God is drawing thousands of spiritually curious “imperfect people” to become his church - but how are we doing at welcoming them? No Perfect People Allowed shows you how to deconstruct the five main barriers standing between emerging generations and your church by creating the right culture.
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No Perfect People Allowed
- By Robin on 04-19-09
By: John Burke
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Befriend
- Create Belonging in an Age of Judgment, Isolation, and Fear
- By: Scott Sauls
- Narrated by: Dean Gallagher
- Length: 6 hrs and 22 mins
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Is real friendship too risky? We live in a world where real friendship is hard to find. Suspicious of others and insecure about ourselves, we retreat into the safety of our small, self-made digital worlds. Tragically, even the church can become a place that reinforces this isolation. Jesus models a much richer vision of friendship. Scott Sauls, pastor and teacher, invites you to see the breadth of Christ's love in this audiobook, Befriend.
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Great post election therapy.
- By Manoli on 12-20-16
By: Scott Sauls
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Emotionally Healthy Discipleship
- Moving from Shallow Christianity to Deep Transformation
- By: Peter Scazzero
- Narrated by: Peter Scazzero
- Length: 8 hrs and 27 mins
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In Emotionally Healthy Discipleship, best-selling author Pete Scazzero combines three decades of wisdom with hard lessons from his own ministry journey. He lays out what is required for church leaders to multiply deeply changed people who are growing in relationship with God, themselves, and others. Scazzero begins with four beneath-the-surface, systemic gaps that undermine serious discipleship. He provides a clear vision for a church culture that deeply changes lives and then practically unpacks the seven biblical marks of emotionally healthy discipleship.
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New Work
- By Daniel on 06-30-21
By: Peter Scazzero
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Forming Intentional Disciples
- The Path to Knowing and Following Jesus
- By: Sherry A. Weddell
- Narrated by: Nan McNamara
- Length: 7 hrs and 20 mins
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Learn about the five thresholds of postmodern conversion; how to open a conversation about faith and belief; how to ask thought-provoking questions and establish an atmosphere of trust, when to tell the great story of Jesus; how to help someone respond to God's call to intentional discipleship; and much more. And be prepared for conversion because when life at the parish level changes, the life of the whole Church will change.
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Valuable resource, required reading
- By Andrew Havens on 01-03-19
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God Believes in Love
- Straight Talk About Gay Marriage
- By: Gene Robinson
- Narrated by: Gene Robinson
- Length: 5 hrs and 55 mins
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From Gene Robinson, the Bishop of the Diocese of New Hampshire in the Episcopal Church, the first openly gay person elected (in 2003) to the historic episcopate and the world's leading religious spokesperson for gay rights and gay marriage, comes a groundbreaking book that lovingly and persuasively makes the case for same-sex marriage. It establishes a commonsense, reasoned, religious argument, made by someone who holds the religious text of the Bible to be holy and sacred.
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He nailed it!
- By Jamie on 12-27-12
By: Gene Robinson
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Intensional
- Kingdom Ethnicity in a Divided World
- By: D.A. Horton
- Narrated by: D.A. Horton
- Length: 4 hrs and 14 mins
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When it comes to the ethnic divisions in our world, we speak often of seeking racial reconciliation. But at no point have all ethnicities on Earth been reconciled. Animosity, distrust, and hostility among people from various ethnicities have always existed in American history. Even in the church, we have often built walls to divide God’s people from each other. In Intensional, pastor D. A. Horton steps into the tension to offer vision and practical guidance for Christians longing to embrace our Kingdom ethnicity, combating the hatred with the hope of Jesus Christ.
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Loved Every Moment!
- By Marqus Rose on 02-26-21
By: D.A. Horton
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Real Marriage
- The Truth About Sex, Friendship, and Life Together
- By: Mark Driscoll, Grace Driscoll
- Narrated by: Tavia Gilbert, William Dufris
- Length: 8 hrs and 51 mins
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Pastor Mark Driscoll and his wife, Grace, talk about sex and marriage in down-to-earth terms, hitting issues other Christian books won't. While a wonderful wedding day is important, it's the last day of marriage that really counts. Will the last day of your marriage come prematurely through divorce? Will it be filled with regrets as you sit at the funeral of your spouse? Or, by God's grace, will the last day be a time to rejoice in the life you lived together?
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Great Marriage Book!! Read, Don't Listen...
- By Stephen and Julie George on 05-20-12
By: Mark Driscoll, and others
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For the Body
- Recovering a Theology of Gender, Sexuality, and the Human Body
- By: Timothy C. Tennent, Ajith Fernando - foreword
- Narrated by: Josh Childs
- Length: 7 hrs and 21 mins
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The human body is an amazing gift, yet today, many people downplay its importance and fail to understand what Christianity teaches about our bodies and their God-given purposes. Many people misunderstand how the body was designed, its role in relating to others; and we lack awareness of the dangers of objectifying the body, divorcing it from its intended purpose.
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Well done
- By Adam Moore on 03-26-21
By: Timothy C. Tennent, and others
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We Cannot Be Silent
- Speaking Truth to a Culture Redefining Sex, Marriage, and the Very Meaning of Right and Wrong
- By: R. Albert Mohler
- Narrated by: Anthony Grant
- Length: 6 hrs and 54 mins
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Twenty years ago, not one nation on earth had legal same-sex marriage. Now, access to same-sex marriage is increasingly seen as a basic human right. In a matter of less than a generation, Western cultures have experienced a moral revolution. Dr. R. Albert Mohler examines how this transformation occurred, revealing the underlying cultural shifts behind this revolution.
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The Gospel Truth!
- By angelgirl7 on 04-10-19
By: R. Albert Mohler
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Strangers in a Strange Land
- Living the Catholic Faith in a Post-Christian World
- By: Charles J. Chaput
- Narrated by: Jonathan Davis
- Length: 9 hrs and 17 mins
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From Charles J. Chaput, author of Living the Catholic Faith and Render unto Caesar, comes Strangers in a Strange Land, a fresh, urgent, and ultimately hopeful treatise on the state of Catholicism and Christianity in the United States. America today is different in kind, not just in degree, from the past. And this new reality is unlikely to be reversed.
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A Must Read
- By CFletcher on 07-04-17
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Stop Calling Me Beautiful
- Finding Soul-Deep Strength in a Skin-Deep World
- By: Phylicia Masonheimer
- Narrated by: Carla Mercer-Meyer
- Length: 5 hrs and 34 mins
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If you're tired of hearing the watered-down Christian teaching and hungry for a deeper spiritual life - one that gives real answers to your hardest questions - Stop Calling Me Beautiful teaches you how. Jesus doesn't offer a powerless salvation. He makes your brokenness part of his whole redemption story - if you allow him to. Don't settle for a feel-good faith. If you want victory over insecurity, fear, shame, and the circumstances you are facing, it's time to embrace Jesus. All of him.
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not what I expected, in a good way!!
- By Kristin on 09-03-20
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- Amy Surrett
- 02-14-24
Both academically engaging and empathetically spoken
This book does such a good job presenting the theology, history, culture, philosophy, and stories of the Ex-Gay movement and the people involved in it.
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- Anonymous User
- 06-12-24
Fair and balanced
Wow. What keen insight. I started to figure out I was gay back in the 1970s. I was a very committed Christian. I have ridden the ride that your your story describes. Somehow maintaining my faith in Christ. I am no longer evangelical. All the groping for answers and extreme hopefulness of “the church” have left Christ in the dust. Your book is such a fine summary of the church’s quest for answers. Very gracious, maybe more than is deserved, but the itch is “Christ “ on earth. I’m glad that Jesus is the grace that is needed and that your book so eloquently shares. Thank you. I am very touched by your words. I was also PCA for while along my path. I am affirming today. I thank God for his amazing love and grace.
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- Charles W. Arnold
- 05-30-22
It may move the needle...
Overall, I thought it was very good. Well-written and probably the best arguments I have heard for so-called "Side-B Christians". I think it would challenge most readers. I assume that most readers have camped out on either a more conservative or more liberal stance.
There is a lot in the book so forgive me as I jumble it all together!
I certainly agree that the "care" model is superior to the "cure" model. As the author points out, any attempt to "cure" any sin is doomed from the outset. The historical context seemed to be quite thorough and perhaps even academic (I mean that as a complement). I was not clued in to any potential footnotes, if there were any.
I think the book was written to persuade and, for me, it moved the needle, but probably not as far as the author would have liked. I would like to think that I came away from the book having and desiring more empathy. I also appreciated the author's comments on "word policing" given the mine-field presented by our current culture. It is helpful for someone to help navigate the terms "same-sex attracted", "gay", "queer", etc. along with their common usage, favored audiences, and the negative reactions that other audiences have to their use.
Some of the terminology was too "inside baseball" for me to understand. I hope that I got the gist from the context of whatever passages I am referring to.
I thought the author's argument for the church to elevate celibacy as a good and valid lifestyle for any believer was good. I found some notes of solidarity with all kinds of single, celibate believers. I wish that he had developed that thread of solidarity a little more. He seemed to conclude that because one is not attracted to the collective opposite sex, that one would only rarely find a person of the opposite sex to whom they would feel romantic attraction. He noted some of the rare examples, but overly down-played their significance in my opinion. I think I can understand the motivation to down-play their significance in light of the "cure" movement that he refuted.
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- B.E. Pearl
- 02-22-24
Helpful, hopeful, challenging
So helpful, informative and challenging. All Christians should read this to learn, to grow, to care for our LGBTQ siblings and to learn from their costly, faithful testimonies. In addition, this book opened my eyes to aspects of the Bible I had not considered. I have so much respect for Greg Johnson and am so thankful for this book.
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- rebecca
- 04-11-22
Massively helpful book
This book provides an incredibly refreshing vision for how the church can maintain fidelity to the scripture while simultaneously providing genuine love, care, brotherhood, and sisterhood to LGBTQ+ people. I have already recommended this book to a dozen or so people, and will be urging many many more to read it. Excellent job! ~Brent Roam, lead pastor, One Family Church, St. Louis Missouri.
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