The Conversation
How Seeking and Speaking the Truth About Racism Can Radically Transform Individuals and Organizations
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Finalist for the Financial Times and Mckinsey Business Book of the Year Award
An essential tool for individuals, organizations, and communities of all sizes to jump-start dialogue on racism and bias and to transform well-intentioned statements on diversity into concrete actions — from a leading Harvard social psychologist.
“Livingston has made the important and challenging task of addressing systemic racism within an organization approachable and achievable.” (Alex Timm, co-founder and CEO, Root Insurance Company)
How can I become part of the solution? In the wake of the social unrest of 2020 and growing calls for racial justice, many business leaders and ordinary citizens are asking that very question. This book provides a compass for all those seeking to begin the work of anti-racism. In The Conversation, Robert Livingston addresses three simple but profound questions: What is racism? Why should everyone be more concerned about it? What can we do to eradicate it?
For some, the existence of systemic racism against Black people is hard to accept because it violates the notion that the world is fair and just. But the rigid racial hierarchy created by slavery did not collapse after it was abolished, nor did it end with the civil rights era. Whether it’s the composition of a company’s leadership team or the composition of one’s neighborhood, these racial divides and disparities continue to show up in every facet of society. For Livingston, the difference between a solvable problem and a solved problem is knowledge, investment, and determination. And the goal of making organizations more diverse, equitable, and inclusive is within our capability.
Livingston’s lifework is showing people how to turn difficult conversations about race into productive instances of real change. For decades he has translated science into practice for numerous organizations, including Airbnb, Deloitte, Microsoft, Under Armour, L’Oreal, and JPMorgan Chase. In The Conversation, Livingston distills this knowledge and experience into an eye-opening immersion in the science of racism and bias. Drawing on examples from pop culture and his own life experience, Livingston, with clarity and wit, explores the root causes of racism, the factors that explain why some people care about it and others do not, and the most promising paths toward profound and sustainable progress, all while inviting readers to challenge their assumptions.
Social change requires social exchange. Founded on principles of psychology, sociology, management, and behavioral economics, The Conversation is a road map for uprooting entrenched biases and sharing candid, fact-based perspectives on race that will lead to increased awareness, empathy, and action.
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- Length: 8 hrs and 33 mins
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How did human societies scale up from small, tight-knit groups of hunter-gatherers to the large, anonymous, cooperative societies of today - even though anonymity is the enemy of cooperation? How did organized religions with "Big Gods" - the great monotheistic and polytheistic faiths - spread to colonize most minds in the world? In Big Gods, Ara Norenzayan makes the surprising and provocative argument that these fundamental puzzles about the origins of civilization are one and the same, and answer each other.
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Great read
- By paro on 02-27-24
By: Ara Norenzayan
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I'm Not Yelling
- A Black Woman’s Guide to Navigating the Workplace
- By: Elizabeth Leiba
- Narrated by: Zoleka Vundla
- Length: 6 hrs and 16 mins
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I'm Not Yelling is part strategy for savvy black business women navigating a predominantly white corporate America and part vessel empowering black women to find their voices in toxic work environments and be successful business women. Statistical and anecdotal evidence guide the way. Explore the data and hear the accounts of Black women in business who face, work through, and rise above workplace discrimination. Finding your voice as women entrepreneurs. Successful business women use their voice to become strong Black leaders who instill positive change in the workplace culture.
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SPEAK UP!!!!
- By Anonymous User on 04-03-23
By: Elizabeth Leiba
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Inclusify
- The Power of Uniqueness and Belonging to Build Innovative Teams
- By: Stefanie K. Johnson
- Narrated by: Amanda Dolan
- Length: 7 hrs and 7 mins
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Humans have two basic desires: to stand out and to fit in. Companies respond by creating groups that tend to the extreme - where everyone fits in and no one stands out, or where everyone stands out and no one fits in. How do we find that happy medium where workers can demonstrate their individuality while also feeling they belong? The answer, according to Stefanie Johnson, is to Inclusify.
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Outdated paradigms and novice leadership perspectives
- By Sawyers on 08-13-22
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Raising White Kids
- Bringing Up Children in a Racially Unjust America
- By: Jennifer Harvey
- Narrated by: Eliza Foss
- Length: 8 hrs and 58 mins
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Talking about race means naming the reality of white privilege and hierarchy. How do we talk about race honestly, then, without making our children feel bad about being white? Most importantly, how do we do any of this in age-appropriate ways? While a great deal of public discussion exists in regard to the impact of race and racism on children of color, meaningful dialogue about and resources for understanding the impact of race on white children are woefully absent. Raising White Kids steps into that void.
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Distracting performance
- By Amazon Customer on 07-24-20
By: Jennifer Harvey
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Blindspot
- By: Mahzarin R. Banaji, Anthony G. Greenwald
- Narrated by: Eric Jason Martin
- Length: 7 hrs and 51 mins
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I know my own mind. I am able to assess others in a fair and accurate way. These self-perceptions are challenged by leading psychologists Mahzarin R. Banaji and Anthony G. Greenwald as they explore the hidden biases we all carry from a lifetime of exposure to cultural attitudes about age, gender, race, ethnicity, religion, social class, sexuality, disability status, and nationality. Blindspot is the authors’ metaphor for the portion of the mind that houses hidden biases.
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Difficult to interpret.
- By Ryan Arnold on 12-21-15
By: Mahzarin R. Banaji, and others
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Ghetto
- The Invention of a Place, the History of an Idea
- By: Mitchell Duneier
- Narrated by: Prentice Onayemi
- Length: 10 hrs and 8 mins
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On March 29, 1516, the city council of Venice issued a decree forcing Jews to live in il geto - a closed quarter named for the copper foundry that once occupied the area. The term stuck. In this sweeping and original interpretation, Mitchell Duneier traces the idea of the ghetto from its beginnings in the 16th century and its revival by the Nazis to the present. As Duneier shows, we cannot understand the entanglements of race, poverty, and place in America today without recalling the history of the ghetto in Europe, as well as later efforts to understand the problems of the American city.
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Impressive
- By Jean on 12-10-16
By: Mitchell Duneier
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Women Don't Ask
- Negotiation and the Gender Divide
- By: Linda Babcock, Sara Laschever
- Narrated by: Sasha Dunbrooke
- Length: 8 hrs and 17 mins
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When Linda Babcock asked why so many male graduate students were teaching their own courses and most female students were assigned as assistants, her dean said: "More men ask. The women just don't ask." It turns out that whether they want higher salaries or more help at home, women often find it hard to ask.
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Interresting subject, bad delivery.
- By Guilherme on 01-11-14
By: Linda Babcock, and others
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The Blank Slate
- The Modern Denial of Human Nature
- By: Steven Pinker
- Narrated by: Victor Bevine
- Length: 22 hrs and 40 mins
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In The Blank Slate, Steven Pinker, one of the world's leading experts on language and the mind, explores the idea of human nature and its moral, emotional, and political colorings. With characteristic wit, lucidity, and insight, Pinker argues that the dogma that the mind has no innate traits, denies our common humanity and our individual preferences, replaces objective analyses of social problems with feel-good slogans, and distorts our understanding of politics, violence, parenting, and the arts.
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Don't bother. Outdated science & poor logic...
- By ejf211 on 03-31-10
By: Steven Pinker
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Not for Profit
- Why Democracy Needs the Humanities
- By: Martha C. Nussbaum
- Narrated by: Tamara Marston
- Length: 5 hrs and 20 mins
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In this short and powerful book, celebrated philosopher Martha Nussbaum makes a passionate case for the importance of the liberal arts at all levels of education. Historically, the humanities have been central to education because they have been seen as essential for creating competent democratic citizens. But recently, Nussbaum argues, thinking about the aims of education has gone disturbingly awry in the United States and abroad.
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Not for Profit
- By elemarteacher on 07-21-17
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Brainwashed
- Challenging the Myth of Black Inferiority
- By: Tom Burrell
- Narrated by: Sylvester Brown Jr.
- Length: 9 hrs and 31 mins
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"Black people are not dark-skinned white people", says advertising visionary Tom Burrell. In fact, they are much more. They are survivors of the Middle Passage and centuries of humiliation and deprivation, who have excelled against the odds, constantly making a way out of "No way!" At this pivotal point in history, the idea of Black inferiority should have had a "Going-Out-of-Business Sale." After all, Barack Obama reached America's Promised Land. Yet, as Brainwashed testifies, too many in Black America are still wandering in the wilderness.
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Guidance against the odds.
- By Henry Lee Faulkner on 01-05-21
By: Tom Burrell
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Cool
- How the Brain's Hidden Quest for Cool Drives Our Economy and Shapes Our World
- By: Steven Quartz, Anette Asp
- Narrated by: James Patrick Cronin
- Length: 10 hrs
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In Cool, the neuroscientist and philosopher Steven Quartz and the political scientist Anette Asp bring together the latest findings in brain science, economics, and evolutionary biology to form a provocative theory of consumerism, revealing how the brain's "social calculator" and an instinct to rebel are the crucial missing links in understanding the motivations behind our spending habits.
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Some Useful Ideas
- By Carson on 07-20-17
By: Steven Quartz, and others
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What It Means to Be Moral
- Why Religion Is Not Necessary for Living an Ethical Life
- By: Phil Zuckerman
- Narrated by: Paul Brion
- Length: 11 hrs and 46 mins
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In What It Means to Be Moral: Why Religion Is Not Necessary for Living an Ethical Life, Phil Zuckerman argues that morality does not come from God. Rather, it comes from us: our brains, our evolutionary past, our ongoing cultural development, our social experiences, and our ability to reason, reflect, and be sensitive to the suffering of others.
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Praise for Faith No More
- By Amazon Customer on 12-08-19
By: Phil Zuckerman
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What Works
- Gender Equality by Design
- By: Iris Bohnet
- Narrated by: Laurel Lefkow
- Length: 9 hrs and 22 mins
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Gender equality is a moral and a business imperative. But unconscious bias holds us back, and de-biasing people’s minds has proven to be difficult and expensive. Diversity training programs have had limited success, and individual effort alone often invites backlash. Behavioral design offers a new solution. By de-biasing organizations instead of individuals, we can make smart changes that have big impacts.
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Excellent book every women and executive should read
- By N LI on 05-10-21
By: Iris Bohnet
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Dear White America
- Letter to a New Minority
- By: Tim Wise
- Narrated by: Tim Wise
- Length: 3 hrs and 32 mins
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White Americans have long been comfortable in the assumption that they are the cultural norm. Now that notion is being challenged, as white people wrestle with what it means to be part of a fast-changing, truly multicultural nation. Facing chronic economic insecurity, a popular culture that reflects the nation's diverse cultural reality, and a future in which they will no longer constitute the majority of the population, and with a black president in the White House, whites are growing anxious.
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A Primer on Racism for White People
- By Susie on 07-11-16
By: Tim Wise
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- Amy
- 04-13-21
highly recommend
I loved this book and it will definitely be one of my highest recommendations to clients, friends, family, pretty much everyone for the coming year.
I will say that I ended up buying the hard copy because of the amount of research and images that play out in the book, which I found helpful having both.
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- Roben Torosyan
- 03-17-23
Greatest single way to “get it,” *all*!
As someone who didn’t realize I was white for way too many decades, who now reads everything there is on anti-racist work, I’m blown away at this book. First, as gripping a story as a journalistic account. Then so quickly cutting to the roots of the problem, by chapter three. By the later sections on our competing values and what we do when forced to choose between things like hoarding more money & power, or acting up for fairness. I feel inspired to hunker down and reread, connected to deep thinking and core reasons, and equipped to take action by being braver about talking about race — with my white accountability group, but also cross-racial groups, and everywhere I can.
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- Lawrence J. Callahan
- 05-17-22
Game changer
Presented with compelling data and relatable analogies, the conversation sheds light on a cancer that has plagued our country for far too long. However, there is hope but we need to start speaking truthfully and this book will help show us the way.
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- Judith R.
- 02-05-23
One of the best!
I thought this book was one of the best on understanding and steps to disrupt racism. Understanding human behavior is imperative to this hard and heart-centered work. Like the author, I have hope!
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- Leigh Shultz
- 08-15-21
Excellent
One of the most thorough, well-researched, logical, and actionable books on the origins of racism and specific anti-racist behaviors, systems, and policies that can be used to dismantle racial bias and discrimination.
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- scott rust
- 12-06-22
Feeling manipulated.
I was an ignorant white guy, because of proxy. Now I am informed, and angry because I was manipulated by the system. I was not aware of the goals of the elites. NOW, I can identify racism and manipulation. There were things mentioned that really turned my stomach. You need to read the whole book. Don't stop. it's worth it. so much information and pointers. A wealth of information. :) Love one another. :)
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- Jessica Elmore
- 08-22-21
One of the best books
A thorough and realistic approach to having conversations that can result in addressing and eradicating racism. The mix of scientific data and simple examples, really breaks opens a person mind on what is really going on with racism and makes you seriously think if you are just professing wanting racism to end or truly want to be active and make change. A must read for anyone who believes they have a platform to help folks on their journey toward antiracist behavior
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- Ashley T
- 08-01-22
Read this book!
Super practical and hope- filled book with how to's on starting and sustaining a productive conversation about racism.
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- Scott C. Moore
- 05-30-21
Essential, data-based, solutions to end racism.
Careful coalescing of practical wisdom and actions needed to do the work for effective, positive change.
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- 3LMo
- 03-13-23
The Conversation was an eye and mind opener
My “I thinks” we’re put to the test on what I thought I was up to date with and many things that never crossed my mind.
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